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Man kan misstänka det.K karlmb skrev:
De söker uppmärksamhet för att sprida sin produkt. Det är inte första gången det händer.
Också är de sura för att LG-batterierna inte går att laga med deras metod.
I kommentarsfältet under EVclinics "artikel" efterfrågas hur stort statistiskt underlag de har för sina slutsatser.
EVclinic har inte svarat på flera dagar...
Det pågår en undersökning bland Teslaägare på det svenska Teslaforumet om vilka som har fått byta batterier i sina bilar. Noterbart därifrån är att ingen Model Y med LG-batteri (alltså batteriet som EVclinic svartmålar) har behövt bytas, fast LG-batteriet sitter i gissningsvis 75 % av alla Model Y i Sverige. De batterier som bytts i Model Y är från andra tillverkare.
Bland Model 3 ägare som bytt batteri är majoriteten Panasonic-batteri fast majoriteten av bilarna har LG-batterier.
Ganska motsägelsefullt.
Därmed inte sagt att inte EVclinic är något på spåren, men innan de öppet redovisar sitt statistiska underlag och andra oberoende undersökningar visar samma resultat tar jag det med en nypa salt.
Varför, det är ju ett parti med 27 procent stöd och emot invandringen som alla vid ser här laget med en hjärna fattat att det håller på att totalt slita sönder Europa.B bhus2021 skrev:
Nä men någon annan gör.K karlmb skrev:
Jag kan inte se att EVclinic skriver att batterierna går sönder efter 10-12000 mil.
Därför undrar jag du fått siffrorna från.
Och sedan ifrågasätter jag varför batterier med garanti skulle hamna hos EVclinic.
Ja jag har läst och kan inte se att de skriver att det är "100 % failure tidigt" om det är kinesiska celler.K karlmb skrev:
Är det något du hittat på?
Redigerat:
Här är deras originalpost:Nicke Nyfiken skrev:
Nä men någon annan gör.
Jag kan inte se att EVclinic skriver att batterierna går sönder efter 10-12000 mil.
Därför undrar jag du fått siffrorna från.
Och sedan ifrågasätter jag varför batterier med garanti skulle hamna hos EVclinic.
Ja jag har läst och kan inte se att de skriver att det är "100 % failure tidigt" om det är kinesiska celler.
Är det något du hittat på?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BvS4jnMQk/
Media hype around “Made in China” battery systems being the “best” has never been confirmed in real-world practice.
We are raising serious concerns about Tesla Model 3/Y LG NCM811 battery packs (LGES Nanjing), which show extremely high failure rates and a noticeably shorter end-of-life compared with Panasonic NCA packs (Made in USA).
In over 90% of the cases we receive, cell-level repair is not possible on LG packs. The cell degradation within affected modules is far beyond anything that could be restored. The issue is rarely a single bad cell—most failing modules contain multiple cells with extremely high internal resistance. Out of 46 cells, it is common to find 15 cells over 100 mΩ ACIR, and the remaining 30 cells above 50 mΩ ACIR.
Given these patterns, adjacent series groups measured in parallel modules often show resistance values already above acceptable limits. This means that even if we replace the faulty cells with used, matching donor cells (never with new cells), the remaining weakened cells are likely to fail in a cascade. This makes the repair operationally unsustainable, as the entire pack is clearly nearing end-of-life, exposing us to extremely high warranty and labor costs.
Another unknown is this:
If one out of four modules is badly degraded, what are the chances that replacing a single module will result in a stable pack, and for how long?
Is it realistic to expect another 100,000 km of trouble-free use after replacing one module?
Most likely not.
At this moment, during ongoing experimental testing with real customers experiencing LG failures, we are losing over €20,000 per month in operational time while investigating whether LG’s Chinese NCM811 systems can be sustainably repaired. At this stage, we can confidently say: the cells are, to put it mildly, catastrophic. Panasonic has mostly single cell falire at 250,000km, and it is repairable, where LG hasmultiple cell failur.
For reference:
• A healthy Panasonic cell typically shows ~10 mΩ, while a new LG Nanjing cell starts around 28 mΩ.
• A failing Panasonic cell reaches ~28 mΩ, which is what LG cells measure when brand new.
It is extremely difficult to explain this complexity to customers.
The only alternative we can responsibly offer—although very rarely—is replacing the entire battery pack with a used Panasonic pack from the secondary market.
This brings us to a fundamental question:
Where does the media hype come from claiming that Chinese-made cells are “better”?
In practice, the best Li-ion cells are made in Europe (LG Chem, Samsung SDI) and the USA (Panasonic).
China’s strength is limited primarily to LFP technology, but Blade-format LFP packs are entirely non-repairable researched by independent institutes.
⸻
Important Notice for Tesla owners with Chinese LG packs
Due to extremely high operational losses (20,000€ per month on LG packs), we must introduce an experimental “repair check feasibility” fee to determine whether repair is even possible.
If the pack is deemed non-repairable, the only options are:
1. Replacement with a used Panasonic pack
2. Full pack replacement at a Tesla Service Center
When supplying used Panasonic packs, we do not guarantee range, charging speed, or long-term capacity.
Warranty covers functional defects—not degradation or reduced range.
This article also serves as an official disclaimer.
⸻
Reference Data
Part number: 17000012-00-B
OEM price: €15,355 (excl. tax, EPC)
EVC repair check: €1,200 non-refundable (remove/assemble)
Waived if repair is possible
EVC full repair: €5,500 (excl. tax)
EVC Panasonic swap: €8,000 (excl. tax)
⸻
Estimated End-of-Life (EOL)
• Panasonic packs: ~400,000 km
• LG NCM811 (China): ~250,000 km
Ja som sagt, på Facebook så accepteras som bekant alla publiceringar, även de med för dåligt statistiskt underlag, detta hade skjutits ner och aldrig nått tidningen i alla andra fall, vilket ju också är fallet, har inte sett detta återgivet av någon seriös redaktion?K karlmb skrev:Här är deras originalpost:
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Media hype around “Made in China” battery systems being the “best” has never been confirmed in real-world practice.
We are raising serious concerns about Tesla Model 3/Y LG NCM811 battery packs (LGES Nanjing), which show extremely high failure rates and a noticeably shorter end-of-life compared with Panasonic NCA packs (Made in USA).
In over 90% of the cases we receive, cell-level repair is not possible on LG packs. The cell degradation within affected modules is far beyond anything that could be restored. The issue is rarely a single bad cell—most failing modules contain multiple cells with extremely high internal resistance. Out of 46 cells, it is common to find 15 cells over 100 mΩ ACIR, and the remaining 30 cells above 50 mΩ ACIR.
Given these patterns, adjacent series groups measured in parallel modules often show resistance values already above acceptable limits. This means that even if we replace the faulty cells with used, matching donor cells (never with new cells), the remaining weakened cells are likely to fail in a cascade. This makes the repair operationally unsustainable, as the entire pack is clearly nearing end-of-life, exposing us to extremely high warranty and labor costs.
Another unknown is this:
If one out of four modules is badly degraded, what are the chances that replacing a single module will result in a stable pack, and for how long?
Is it realistic to expect another 100,000 km of trouble-free use after replacing one module?
Most likely not.
At this moment, during ongoing experimental testing with real customers experiencing LG failures, we are losing over €20,000 per month in operational time while investigating whether LG’s Chinese NCM811 systems can be sustainably repaired. At this stage, we can confidently say: the cells are, to put it mildly, catastrophic. Panasonic has mostly single cell falire at 250,000km, and it is repairable, where LG hasmultiple cell failur.
For reference:
• A healthy Panasonic cell typically shows ~10 mΩ, while a new LG Nanjing cell starts around 28 mΩ.
• A failing Panasonic cell reaches ~28 mΩ, which is what LG cells measure when brand new.
It is extremely difficult to explain this complexity to customers.
The only alternative we can responsibly offer—although very rarely—is replacing the entire battery pack with a used Panasonic pack from the secondary market.
This brings us to a fundamental question:
Where does the media hype come from claiming that Chinese-made cells are “better”?
In practice, the best Li-ion cells are made in Europe (LG Chem, Samsung SDI) and the USA (Panasonic).
China’s strength is limited primarily to LFP technology, but Blade-format LFP packs are entirely non-repairable researched by independent institutes.
⸻
Important Notice for Tesla owners with Chinese LG packs
Due to extremely high operational losses (20,000€ per month on LG packs), we must introduce an experimental “repair check feasibility” fee to determine whether repair is even possible.
If the pack is deemed non-repairable, the only options are:
1. Replacement with a used Panasonic pack
2. Full pack replacement at a Tesla Service Center
When supplying used Panasonic packs, we do not guarantee range, charging speed, or long-term capacity.
Warranty covers functional defects—not degradation or reduced range.
This article also serves as an official disclaimer.
⸻
Reference Data
Part number: 17000012-00-B
OEM price: €15,355 (excl. tax, EPC)
EVC repair check: €1,200 non-refundable (remove/assemble)
Waived if repair is possible
EVC full repair: €5,500 (excl. tax)
EVC Panasonic swap: €8,000 (excl. tax)
⸻
Estimated End-of-Life (EOL)
• Panasonic packs: ~400,000 km
• LG NCM811 (China): ~250,000 km
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