Scammed on gutter job?

Loobo · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:05 AM

That execution is in plain Swedish a pig job!
Best regards, a sheet metal worker.

Goran177 · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:10 AM

What a joke, just have to redo it. Never seen anyone twist the downspout like that, never seen such bends, but they obviously exist.
Halve the price and you'll end up at about where it should be.

malarmaster · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:21 AM

Nissens said:
This cannot be for real. Firstly, that a company would do it this way, secondly, that one would post it on a forum to ask if it's okay... both are completely unreasonable...

NO ONE can think it looks okay...

The only possible explanation is that some amateur tried to fix their own gutter/pipe. That's probably why no supplier showed up at that meeting and why the company wasn't mentioned. There simply is no supplier.

It's the property owner themselves who put this up... and now they don't want to admit it...

I've seen similar work but in the 80s, when "travelers" would go around residential areas offering to replace bad gutters. Many times, only the material would be left behind and they would charge for it + the work and take advance payment. Oftentimes, they never returned to install it. In cases where installation did occur, it could look like the pictures TS posted. I've heard "Irish" who travel around doing the same thing nowadays, and also from Eastern Europe. Halting English and non-existent professional skills are usually the norm.

Nissens · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:27 AM

M malarmaster said:
I've seen similar jobs from the 80s. Back then, "travelers" would go around residential neighborhoods offering to replace bad gutters. Many times they'd only leave materials and charge for it + the labor, taking advance payment. Often, they would never return to install it. In cases where installation occurred, it could look like in the TS pictures. I've heard of "Irish" doing similar things nowadays, and also people from Eastern Europe. Broken English and nonexistent professional skills are usually standard.

I don't know where you live, but I've neither heard of nor seen any similar sheet metal work, and I've been in the industry.
Irish people are mostly known for poor paving jobs…

Selle66 · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:30 AM

Must be the same scrap and grain as the Irish asphalt layers who travel around threatening and scamming

Ann-lousa · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:35 AM

P PNF said:
Hello forum!!

got a phone call from a relative today, when they were about to finalize the price for new gutters. They were then asking for 12,000 SEK for about 6 meters of gutters and 1 downpipe with a connection. No new hooks for the gutter or brackets for the downpipe as the old ones were reused.

talked to the guy who did the job on the phone and he claims they agreed on 1200 SEK per meter, and when questioning the high price, I was told it's material of the highest quality (aluminum). I've been able to trace the material Trifa, a Hungarian brand, though it appears to be coated aluminum. I am supposed to get equivalent material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow for comparison but I find it very hard to see that this job would be worth 1200 SEK per meter. Especially as I have big question marks regarding the quality.

Those of you who know, should it look like this?

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Image 1 downpipe connection to ground pipe. Missing transition and leaf separator?

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image 2 the ends are only bent up. Does not connect to the fascia board, leaving about a 3 cm gap.

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image 3 I find it to be sloppily cut pipe with sharp splinters sticking out, uneven. Additionally, it is dented and fastened to the old mismatched bracket with drywall screw (?). Isn't the downpipe also the wrong size, see gutter and ground pipe.

I don't know if I'm completely off base but this feels completely wrong both in price and quality?

supposed to meet them tomorrow for further discussion...just wanted to get any input you have to offer...

my uncle is an inspector, I sent your pictures to him. He said it was the worst he's seen. Firstly, you should not make short pieces, they rust easily and sit too close to gravel, there should be room for a leaf separator at the bottom of the downpipe, which should be turned upwards. No screws should be used here because rust will soon appear, so he wonders WHAT they attached the gutter with, what on earth he says. 12000 SEK is definitely not worth it. THREATEN THAT YOU'LL BRING IN AN INSPECTOR BEFORE PAYING, call the home insurance company and ask what you can do. He says it's prohibited to have a gap between the gutter and the wood. Your friend has been so deceived. If they were to sell the house, this would never be approved.

b8q · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:36 AM

Yes, at first the "traveling craftsmen" tried to scam people with lousy paving jobs. When this started to become widely known, they switched to roof replacement (where they often charged, threw the old roof on the ground, and then just left). And when this also became known, they likely switched to sheet metal work.

It's not exactly like they have any professional knowledge in any kind of craft, so they can easily switch industries when needed.

tveksamt · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:52 AM

N Namnet said:
No point in reporting to the police. It will be dismissed immediately, no police investigate a poorly installed gutter.

Dispute the invoice, pay nothing. Take down the crap and return it.

Reporting to the police has more functions than just investigating the individual crime. There are always reasons to report.

postkontrollen · 30 Jul 2022 at 9:52 AM

XL-bygg, which isn't always the cheapest, charges around 1500 kronor for 12 m of gutter, downpipe, outlet, and leaf catcher (Lindab is good stuff). For an experienced tinsmith, this job on-site doesn't even take an hour.

Botten · 30 Jul 2022 at 10:12 AM

P PNF said:
Hej forumet!!

fick ett telefonsamtal från en släkting idag, när denne skulle slutförhandla pris för nya hängrännor. De skulle då ha 12 000 kr för ca 6m hängrännor och 1st stuprör med anslutning. Inga nya krokar för ränna eller svep för stuprör utan det gamla återanvändes.

pratade med killen som utfört jobbet på telefon och han hävdar att de varit överens om 1200 kr per meter, och vid ifrågasättande av det höga priset fick jag förklarat att det är material av högsta kvalitet (aluminium). Jag har kunnat spåra materialet Trifa, ett ungerskt märke, iofs verkar det vara belagd aluminium. Jag ska få motsvarande materialpriser av min frekvent använda leverantör imorgon för jämförelse men jag har mycket svårt att se att detta jobb skulle vara värt 1200 kr per meter. Speciellt då jag har stora fråge tecken för kvaliteten.

Ni som kan, ska det se ut så här?

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Bild 1 sturörsanslutning till markrör. Saknas övergång och lövavskiljare?

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bild 2 ändarna endast uppbockade. Ansluter inte mot vindskivan utan där är ca 3 cm glipa.

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bild 3 upplever det som slarvigt avskuret rör med sylvassa flisor som sticker ut, är ojämn. I tillägg är det bucklat och fastsatt i det gamla icke passande svepet med gipsskruv (?). är inte stupröret dessutom i fel dimension, se hängränna och markrör.

Jag vet inte om jag är helt ute och cyklar men detta känns helt fel både till pris och kvalitet?

ska träffa dem imorgon för vidare diskussion…ville bara ha eventuella inspel ni har att komma med…

Riktigt tråkigt att se! Gör om gör rätt. Betala inget förrän det är klart och rätt utfört

Bockstensmannen · 30 Jul 2022 at 10:14 AM

Shoddy job. Paid 17500 for 14.5 meters of gutter with replacement of hooks and downspouts including the rental of a skylift from a real craftsman who knew his stuff. He also added a fascia board that was missing on my house, making it look much nicer.

HEM2121 · 30 Jul 2022 at 10:33 AM

P PNF said:
Hello forum!!

Got a phone call from a relative today, when they were about to finalize the price for new gutters. They were asking 12,000 kr for about 6m of gutters and 1 downspout with connection. No new hooks for the gutter or straps for the downspout as the old ones were reused.

I spoke with the guy who did the job over the phone, and he claimed they agreed on 1200 kr per meter, and when questioning the high price, I was told it was material of the highest quality (aluminum). I've been able to track the material Trifa, a Hungarian brand, indeed it seems to be coated aluminum. I will get equivalent material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow for comparison, but I find it hard to see that this job would be worth 1200 kr per meter. Especially since I have big questions about the quality.

For those who know, should it look like this?

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Image 1 downspout connection to ground pipe. Is there a lack of transition and leaf separator?

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Image 2 the ends only folded up. Does not connect to the fascia board, leaving about a 3 cm gap.

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Image 3 I find it to be a carelessly cut pipe with sharp chips protruding, is uneven. Additionally, it's dented and attached to the old non-matching strap with drywall screws (?). Isn't the downspout also of the wrong dimension, see gutter and ground pipe?

I don't know if I'm completely off, but this feels wrong both in terms of price and quality?

Meeting them tomorrow for further discussion... just wanted any input you might have...[/QUOTE ]Is there a written agreement? If not, they're in trouble already. Report to the police.
In any case, the work is not carried out professionally, dispute the invoice in writing, both via email and letter, preferably through a phone call as well that you record. Does the company exist? Check on allabolag.se. If they do, it shows when they started, if they have F-tax, and are VAT registered.

Supercub · 30 Jul 2022 at 10:59 AM

P PNF said:
Hello forum!!

I received a phone call from a relative today, when they were about to finalize the price for new rain gutters. They were asking for 12,000 SEK for about 6m of gutters and 1 downpipe with connection. No new hooks for the gutter or straps for the downpipe, just reusing the old ones.

I spoke to the guy who did the work on the phone, and he claims they agreed on 1200 SEK per meter, and when questioning the high price, I was told it's material of the highest quality (aluminum). I have managed to trace the material Trifa, a Hungarian brand, which seems to be coated aluminum. I am supposed to get equivalent material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow for comparison, but I find it hard to see that this job would be worth 1200 SEK per meter. Especially since I have serious doubts about the quality.

Those of you who know, should it look like this?

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Picture 1, connection to the ground pipe. Missing transition and leaf separator?

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Picture 2, the ends just bent up. Not connected to the fascia board, with about a 3 cm gap.

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Picture 3, it seems like a sloppily cut pipe with sharp splinters protruding, uneven. Additionally, it's dented and attached with gypsum screws to the old, non-matching strap (?). Isn't the downpipe also the wrong size, compared to the gutter and ground pipe.

I don't know if I'm completely off here, but this feels completely wrong both in price and quality?

I am meeting them tomorrow for further discussion... just wanted any input you might have...

Is this a joke? 12000:- for that lousy job my cat would have done better. Don't pay a penny, the whole thing has to come down.

mattias1343 · 30 Jul 2022 at 11:24 AM

Installed the drainage on the new patio the day before yesterday, 6m, cost 1617kr for the parts.

JonasElander · 30 Jul 2022 at 11:28 AM

S Elsamimmi said:
Is this a joke? 12000:- for the lousy job that my cat would have done better. Don't pay a penny, the whole thing has to come down.

Here it is 18 meters, gutter, lots of fastenings cc60 and ends.
2 downpipes with bends and outlet at the bottom with a coupling at the end. Aluminum from Lindab.
Materials for about 6000kr done myself with the help of Google, videos, and mason's line.

Took 1-3 days

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