Scammed on gutter job?

[PNF]

Unfortunately, these guys probably belong to the type who would tear down their work if you don't pay, but it would probably count as a good deed.

no and that would have been the least of the problems. It looks so messy that I'll replace it when we do the rest of the house...

 

[Namnet]

We are considering filing a police report.

No point in filing a police report. It will be dismissed immediately, no police will investigate a poorly installed gutter.

Dispute the invoice, pay nothing. Take down the crap and return it.

 

[Unikt namn]

If you disregard the loss of your own time, you are mainly doing the fraudster a favor by not reporting it.

Even if it isn't investigated, it is still good for the police (and others) to be informed that shady individuals are roaming the area trying to deceive the elderly with various services.

 

[lordi]

What the hell! There should be lifetime keelhauling for that "job". They shouldn't get a single krona.

A person of normal intelligence can't do it that badly even if they're all thumbs.

 

[Thord Thornström]

Hello forum!!

I got a phone call from a relative today, when they were about to finalize the price for new gutters. They were asking for 12,000 SEK for about 6m of gutters and 1 downpipe with a connection. No new hooks for the gutter or brackets for the downpipe, they reused the old ones.

I spoke with the guy who did the work over the phone, and he claims they agreed on 1200 SEK per meter, and when questioning the high price, I was told that it is material of the highest quality (aluminum). I have managed to trace the material to Trifa, a Hungarian brand, which seems to be coated aluminum. I will be getting equivalent material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow for comparison, but I find it very hard to see that this job should be worth 1200 SEK per meter. Especially since I have major concerns about the quality.

For those who know, should it look like this?

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Image 1: downpipe connection to ground pipe. Missing transition and leaf separator?

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Image 2: the ends are only bent up. Does not attach to the fascia board, leaving about a 3 cm gap.

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Image 3: I find it to be sloppily cut pipe with sharp chips sticking out, it's uneven. Additionally, it is dented and attached to the old, non-matching bracket with drywall screws (?). Is the downpipe not in the wrong dimension, see gutter and ground pipe.

I don’t know if I'm completely off base, but this feels all wrong both in terms of price and quality?

Meeting them tomorrow for further discussion… just wanted to get any feedback you might have to offer…

 

[jani84]

Hello forum!!

Got a phone call from a relative today, when they were trying to finalize the price for new gutters. They wanted 12,000 SEK for about 6m gutters and 1 downspout with connection. No new brackets for gutter or clamps for downspout as the old ones were reused.

Spoke to the guy who did the job on the phone and he claims they agreed on 1,200 SEK per meter, and when questioned about the high price, I was told it was material of the highest quality (aluminum). I've been able to track the material Trifa, a Hungarian brand, apparently coated aluminum. I'll get comparable material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow for comparison but I find it very hard to see that this job could be worth 1,200 SEK per meter. Especially as I have big questions about the quality.

Those who know, should it look like this?

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Image 1 downspout connection to ground pipe. Missing transition and leaf separator?

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Image 2 ends only bent up. Do not connect to the fascia board as there’s about 3 cm gap.

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Image 3 feels like a sloppily cut pipe with sharp shards sticking out, is uneven. In addition, it is dented and attached to the old mismatched clamp with drywall screws (?). Isn’t the downspout also in the wrong dimension, see gutter and ground pipe.

I don’t get it
I don't know if I'm completely off track but this feels completely wrong both in price and quality?

Will meet them tomorrow for further discussion…just wanted any input you might have…

Sorry but what the heck is this? Discuss nothing with them, for heaven's sake. Pay them 10 SEK, that's the scrap value. Then you take everything down yourselves and redo this.

 

[zaltarn]

Hi there, it's so frustrating with this type of fraud. A friend's parents experienced exactly this. It ended with yelling/threats/screaming and they had to lock themselves in.

But what to do? If you're able, help them dismantle everything. Place it in a neat pile at the property line for pickup. Take a trip to the hardware store this weekend and buy the materials needed, install them. Or restore the old gutters. Don't pay anything to the scammers. Good luck.

 

[En liten stuga]

That looks dreadful! We just put up gutters ourselves and were very pleased with the job! It cost us about 3500 SEK in total for 12 meters.

Hello forum!!

I got a phone call from a relative today when they were finalizing the price for new gutters. They were quoted 12,000 SEK for about 6m gutters and 1 downpipe with connection. No new brackets for the gutter or straps for the downpipe, the old ones were reused.

I talked to the guy who did the job on the phone and he claims they agreed on 1200 SEK per meter, and when questioning the high price, I was told that it is top-quality material (aluminum). I managed to trace the material Trifa, a Hungarian brand, and it does seem to be coated aluminum. I'm supposed to receive equivalent material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow for comparison, but I find it hard to believe that this job would be worth 1200 SEK per meter. Especially since I have big concerns about the quality.

Those who know, should it look like this?

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Image 1 downpipe connection to ground pipe. Missing transition and leaf separator?

[image]

Image 2 ends are only bent. They don't connect to the fascia board, leaving about a 3 cm gap.

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Image 3 seems to have a sloppily cut pipe with protruding sharp shards, uneven. Additionally, it's dented and attached to the old, unsuitable strap with drywall screws (?). Isn't the downpipe also the wrong size, see gutter and ground pipe.


I don't know if I'm completely off, but this feels entirely wrong both in price and quality?

I will meet them tomorrow for further discussion…just wanted any input you might have…

 

[Plåtslagarn93]

Hi, my first post here.
I am a roofer with about 10 years of experience and I can say that you shouldn't pay for that.

A particularly poorly executed job, what kind of rubbish have they put up? Just look at the downspout bends. Doesn't look right.
My grandmother is better. Roofer? Nah.

Take the junk down so the scammers can take it with them, then 12000 for that!?
Has he received an invoice or is it cash only?
A job like that should be around 3500-4500 excluding VAT.

 

[SiggeFyrst]

Hello forum!!

Received a phone call from a relative today when they were about to finalize the price for new gutters. They wanted 12,000 SEK for about 6m gutters and 1 downspout with connection. No new hooks for the gutter or clamps for the downspout as the old ones were reused.

Spoke with the guy who did the work on the phone, and he claims they agreed on 1200 SEK per meter, and when questioned about the high price, I was told that it's material of the highest quality (aluminium). I have traced the material Trifa, a Hungarian brand, which seems to be coated aluminium. I'm getting comparative material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow, but I find it hard to see that this job would be worth 1200 SEK per meter. Especially considering I have significant doubts about the quality.

For those who know, should it look like this?

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Image 1 downspout connection to ground pipe. Missing transition and leaf separator?

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Image 2 ends only folded up. Doesn't connect to the fascia board, leaving about a 3 cm gap.

[image]

Image 3 appears as poorly cut pipe with sharp splinters sticking out, uneven. Additionally, it's dented and attached to the old unsuitable clamp with drywall screw (?). Isn't the downspout the wrong size, see gutter and ground pipe.

I don't know if I'm completely off track here but this feels all wrong both in price and quality?

Meeting them tomorrow for further discussion… just wanted to get any input you might have…

Oops. Newly started company?? Lack of knowledge can be seen. Seems to be some kind of water drainage system that might be bought when building many houses is planned, and it needs to be installed quickly to keep installation costs down. This aluminium system is, as mentioned, probably developed solely for the house supplier to earn an extra buck. Negotiate down the price.

 

[KalleKalkan]

I would have torn down the mess and not paid the craftsman a dime. The drywall screw says it all.
Don't even give them another try. Hire another company and use only materials from Lindab. Costs a few hundred per meter.. the fact that they even reuse materials and your relative has to pay 1200kr is just disrespectful. Report them to ARN if they question it. The pictures speak for themselves.

 

[Anläggarn]

"If you think a good craftsman is expensive, then you should try a bad one"... It becomes more expensive

 

[August Eriksson]

Yes, we've had thoughts like that in preparation for tomorrow. If they become threatening/unpleasant, I'll try to get out of it somehow (probably pay).

The approach will be to explain that there has been a misunderstanding in the smoothest English. And that the relative doesn’t have much to contribute. And if they start talking about the enormous value of the material, I’ll offer to take it down so they can take it with them. The protective plastic is even still on…

but as you mentioned. Tricky situation.

Document everything, record conversations. If they become threatening or unpleasant, call the police and report. How can you otherwise live with your actions if you support criminals financially at the slightest dispute or threat? People who pay make things worse for everyone.

 

[Nissens]

Hello forum!!

I received a phone call from a relative today when they were finalizing the price for new gutters. They were going to charge 12,000 kr for about 6m of gutters and 1 downpipe with a connection. No new hooks for the gutter or brackets for the downpipe as the old ones were reused.

I spoke with the guy who did the job on the phone and he claims they agreed on 1200 kr per meter, and when questioning the high price, I was told it's material of the highest quality (aluminum). I have been able to trace the material Trifa, a Hungarian brand, it does seem to be coated aluminum. I will get corresponding material prices from my frequently used supplier tomorrow for comparison, but I find it very hard to believe that this job would be worth 1200 kr per meter. Especially since I have big questions about the quality.

Those who know, should it look like this?

[image]
Image 1 downpipe connection to ground pipe. Missing transition and leaf separator?

[image]

image 2 ends only bent up. Does not connect to the fascia board and there is about a 3 cm gap.

[image]

image 3 appears to be sloppily cut pipe with sharp burrs sticking out, is uneven. In addition, it is dented and attached to the old non-fitting bracket with drywall screw (?). Isn't the downpipe also the wrong dimension, see gutter and ground pipe.

I don't know if I'm completely off track but this feels totally wrong both in terms of price and quality?

I’m going to meet them tomorrow for further discussion…just wanted any input you might have to offer…

This can't be real. First, that any company would do it this way and second, that someone would post it on the forum to ask if it's okay...both are completely unreasonable...

There is NO ONE who can think it looks okay...

The only possible explanation is that some amateur tried to fix their own gutter/pipe. That's probably why no supplier showed up at that meeting and the company hasn't been mentioned. There simply is no supplier.

It's the property owner themselves who put this up...and doesn't want to acknowledge it now...

 

[Loobo]

Hej forumet!!

fick ett telefonsamtal från en släkting idag, när denne skulle slutförhandla pris för nya hängrännor. De skulle då ha 12 000 kr för ca 6m hängrännor och 1st stuprör med anslutning. Inga nya krokar för ränna eller svep för stuprör utan det gamla återanvändes.

pratade med killen som utfört jobbet på telefon och han hävdar att de varit överens om 1200 kr per meter, och vid ifrågasättande av det höga priset fick jag förklarat att det är material av högsta kvalitet (aluminium). Jag har kunnat spåra materialet Trifa, ett ungerskt märke, iofs verkar det vara belagd aluminium. Jag ska få motsvarande materialpriser av min frekvent använda leverantör imorgon för jämförelse men jag har mycket svårt att se att detta jobb skulle vara värt 1200 kr per meter. Speciellt då jag har stora fråge tecken för kvaliteten.

Ni som kan, ska det se ut så här?

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Bild 1 sturörsanslutning till markrör. Saknas övergång och lövavskiljare?

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bild 2 ändarna endast uppbockade. Ansluter inte mot vindskivan utan där är ca 3 cm glipa.

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bild 3 upplever det som slarvigt avskuret rör med sylvassa flisor som sticker ut, är ojämn. I tillägg är det bucklat och fastsatt i det gamla icke passande svepet med gipsskruv (?). är inte stupröret dessutom i fel dimension, se hängränna och markrör.


Jag vet inte om jag är helt ute och cyklar men detta känns helt fel både till pris och kvalitet?

ska träffa dem imorgon för vidare diskussion…ville bara ha eventuella inspel ni har att komma med…

Hej forumet!!

fick ett telefonsamtal från en släkting idag, när denne skulle slutförhandla pris för nya hängrännor. De skulle då ha 12 000 kr för ca 6m hängrännor och 1st stuprör med anslutning. Inga nya krokar för ränna eller svep för stuprör utan det gamla återanvändes.

pratade med killen som utfört jobbet på telefon och han hävdar att de varit överens om 1200 kr per meter, och vid ifrågasättande av det höga priset fick jag förklarat att det är material av högsta kvalitet (aluminium). Jag har kunnat spåra materialet Trifa, ett ungerskt märke, iofs verkar det vara belagd aluminium. Jag ska få motsvarande materialpriser av min frekvent använda leverantör imorgon för jämförelse men jag har mycket svårt att se att detta jobb skulle vara värt 1200 kr per meter. Speciellt då jag har stora fråge tecken för kvaliteten.

Ni som kan, ska det se ut så här?

[image]
Bild 1 sturörsanslutning till markrör. Saknas övergång och lövavskiljare?

[image]

bild 2 ändarna endast uppbockade. Ansluter inte mot vindskivan utan där är ca 3 cm glipa.

[image]

bild 3 upplever det som slarvigt avskuret rör med sylvassa flisor som sticker ut, är ojämn. I tillägg är det bucklat och fastsatt i det gamla icke passande svepet med gipsskruv (?). är inte stupröret dessutom i fel dimension, se hängränna och markrör.


Jag vet inte om jag är helt ute och cyklar men detta känns helt fel både till pris och kvalitet?

ska träffa dem imorgon för vidare diskussion…ville bara ha eventuella inspel ni har att komma med…