Is this really professionally done by an experienced carpenter?

[Stefan N]

Measure? You just go with the centering anyway.

 

[smurfen72]

If you have the stuff for it, but it seems like the pros are a bit short on equipment.

 

[ronolo]

If we disregard whether the right or wrong hole saw has been used, I don't understand why a repair and plastering would result in plaster mounds. A repair should, if done correctly, be at the same height as the sheet. If there's a gap, the junction box is too far out.

If you get plaster mounds when plastering and have sanded, you are doing something wrong.

For the same reason you have to make mounds over gypsum joints despite the built-in "depression". Otherwise, you get a visible transition between gypsum and plaster.

 

[oceanis]

For the same reason, you have to make mounds over plasterboard joints despite the built-in "dip". Otherwise, you'll get a visible transition between plasterboard and filler.

No professional painter leaves "mounds" in a filling because it's amateurish to leave a filled surface that sticks out above the surrounding areas, whether you're painting walls or something else.

Take the example of car paintwork. How do you think it would look if a dent was filled in excessively so that a "mound" remained before painting? The same applies to all filling; you fill and sand down to the same level as the surrounding surfaces.

 

[hyggabus]

a truly skilled painter applies a slightly excess amount which then shrinks down to almost the perfect height.
Yes, I know someone like that and have seen it done. I have no pretensions to manage it myself.
it is probably difficult/impossible to patch around a box this way but sheet joints are possible.

 

[Alfredo]

In my house, I have put wallpaper on the walls. That way, it doesn't show that it's been plastered over screw holes and joints. Then I placed switches and outlets over all the junction boxes, so those aren't even visible. Last but not least, I screwed my junction boxes into the underlying wooden structure in the wall, so they don't fall out when I pull out the plug.

Maybe a tip for all amateurs.

Ha, Ha, Ha...

At first, when I read this, I thought, what kind of idiot is this?

When I read it again, I realized the idiot is the one who's reading...

 

[Snailman]

a really skilled painter applies a slightly overfilled layer that then shrinks to almost perfect height. Yes, I know someone like that and have seen it done. I have no pretensions of being able to do it myself. it's probably difficult/impossible to spackle around a socket in this way, but panel joints are doable.

I have painted my walls, and what I have noticed is that the spackle has a very smooth surface, and the plaster has a less smooth surface (the paper surface), which causes the paint to have different textures on the plaster vs. spackle. So in the living room, I chose to full-spackle everything. Probably wouldn't have been necessary if I had wallpapered.

 

[Morgan Jacobsson]

There is a center magnet to use for finding the center when drilling holes... then you have to use the correct size hole saw....standard boxes usually require a T70 saw (73mm). The carpenter here used a T80 hole saw (83mm) but this is what happens when carpenters do the electricians' tasks... We learn in school how to perform drilling... so isn't it appropriate that we fitters get to do it at construction sites too??....

 

[blygarn]

Hmm yes, since there are different sizes of boxes just like with hole saws, it may very well be that you would rather take the big one instead of the small one as you will definitely have to redo all the holes.

Then I find it hard to believe that your switch would be smaller than 83 mm and that it would be visible...

 

[smurfen72]

There is a center magnet to use for finding the center when drilling...then you must use the right size of hole saw....standard boxes are usually T70-saw (73mm)..The carpenter here has used a T80-hole saw (83mm) but this is what happens when carpenters do the electricians' tasks...We learn in school how to perform drilling...so isn't it fitting that us fitters get to do it at construction sites too??....

Should the electrician stand and wait while the carpenter mounts the boards and drill holes as they go along or? It's not that difficult to drill the right hole in a drywall; anybody can do it, except for this bungler.

 

[Odjuret]

'senior? maybe hadn't started incorporating electricity when he worked as a carpenter?

 

[Morgan Jacobsson]

Should the electrician stand and wait while the carpenter installs the boards and make holes as they go, or? It's not that hard to make the right hole in a drywall; anyone can do it without this particular bungler.

An electrician always has work to do... but not many seem to understand how many tasks are involved in our profession... so we usually don't stand and wait... Instead, we ask the carpenter to make the holes and do other things until they are finished... real carpenters use hole magnets and the right box cutter...

 

[rightnow]

That's how it was in my house with two controls. I installed the KNX switches myself and noticed it afterwards. Just filled it with putty and painted it with some leftover paint. Impossible to see, it hasn't cracked. It's been more than two years now.

 

[smurfen72]

An electrician always has work to do...but not many seem to understand how many different tasks are involved in our trade...so we usually don't stand around waiting...instead we ask the carpenter to make the holes and do other things until they're ready...real carpenters use hole magnets and the right socket cutter..

For smaller jobs, the electrician doesn't have work to do once the boxes and conduit are installed, and it's not reasonable for the electrician to wait for hole drilling, so it falls on the carpenter, which is practical for such a simple task. It's not surprising that the carpenter makes holes in the boards when he mounts them. On larger constructions I've been to, it's always been construction that does the hole drilling for the electrician, wanting it to be ready when they arrive, though they might make a small, simple hole themselves.

 

[elmont]

It is usually the electrician who makes holes on the single layer and the carpenter on the double layer, so no one has to wait. It looks like my friends from Lithuania have been there and done the carpentry. I did a house in Åre where the "carpenters" came from Lithuania, and they had a hole saw that was 80 mm and were completely puzzled when I complained about the large holes and offered to lend them a 70 mm hole saw. The painter was moderately pleased when he had to fill in around half of the sockets.
Otherwise, I have never come across a carpenter who didn't have a 70 hole saw and hole in one magnets.