I have combined two sketches that don't quite match in scale to quickly illustrate my thoughts. It takes a bit too much time to draw something that matches your measurements. See it as a very rough sketch.

3D sketch showing a concept design with structural elements in a raw layout, intended for illustration purposes without accurate scaling.
 
J justusandersson said:
I have combined two sketches that don't quite match in scale to quickly illustrate what I am thinking. It takes a little too much time to draw something that matches your measurements. See it as a very rough sketch.

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Oh, you're thinking in that direction. That will be quite amusing :crysmile:
I would probably prefer a regular gable roof in the other direction, it should look somewhat decent against the house :p
 
Let's think differently.

A building that is 8 meters long and 7 meters wide.
Built as a 1&1/2 story house with framework trusses.
Wall height of 2.7-3m.

Replace the middle wall with a beam according to the calculations in the pictures.

What do you think about this? Will it turn out to be crap as well? :crysmile:
 
  • Screenshot of a smartphone app displaying calculations for an opening in an inner wall of a 1.5-story house, showing roof and floor load specifications.
  • 3D model of a building design with measurements; roof pitch at 38°, three pillars, and dimensions for openings, height, and width. Material choices listed.
  • 3D model of a 1.5-story house with specific beam calculations, showcasing dimensions, design, and specs for replacing a middle wall with a beam.
You interpreted my sketch too literally, it was just something I had in the "byrålådan". A standard 11/2 story house with a beam on three columns instead of a load-bearing wall works great. I'm a bit concerned about the calculation. When I calculate backwards, I get the beam load to be about 7.5 kN/m, which seems a bit low. What values did you use for the live load on the loft and the snow load?
 
J justusandersson said:
You interpreted my sketch too literally, it was just something I had in the "drawer." A regular 1-1/2 story house with a beam on three pillars instead of a heart wall works great. I'm a bit puzzled over the calculation. When I calculate backwards, I get the beam load to about 7.5 kN/m, which seems a bit low. What values did you use for live load on the loft and snow load?
Okay, this is exactly what I've been trying to figure out from the start, but replace the framework with scissors and a simple floor joist instead to try to reduce the building height and the floor joist's height, which doesn't seem like a good idea then?

Info about snow load etc. can be seen in picture 1 of 3.
 
just thought I'd tip about this thread..
https://www.byggahus.se/forum/threads/bygger-hobbygarage.192439/
as you describe your build, I immediately thought of skruffse. you might get some inspiration from there.
otherwise, I also think it's worth looking at how the Americans build larger garages, postframe. I usually watch rrbuildings on YouTube. might be worth checking out.
 
Rooth07 Rooth07 said:
a clean beam structure instead of trying to reduce the construction height and the beam structure's construction height
I don't understand that reasoning. What are your priorities?
 
J justusandersson said:
I don't understand that reasoning. What are your priorities?
No, it's that middle post I was thinking of.

I thought that if you use scissors instead and a clean joist, maybe there was a beam that could support just the joist without a middle post.

With scissors and a clean joist, you wouldn't have to size the beam for snow load and roof load.

That was my thought.

If a 115x315 beam managed to relay the frames with a middle post, my hope was to use a similar beam without the middle post for a clean joist.

But I can absolutely live with a middle post if necessary!

Hope you understand what I mean :)
 
With the right dimensions on the high legs, you can build roof trusses without support posts. I see no advantage with scissors trusses in your case. If you want to avoid center posts, it's better to use three beams on the short span (7 meters), i.e., parallel to the roof trusses. Increasing the beam width means they don't have to be super tall. In return, you can use regular construction lumber for the floor joists.
 
J justusandersson said:
With the right dimensions on the main legs, you can build trusses without support legs. I see no advantage with scissors trusses in your case. If you want to avoid center pillars, it's better to use three beams that lie on the shorter side (7 meters), i.e., parallel to the trusses. By increasing beam width, they don't have to be super high. In return, you can use regular construction timber for the floor joists.
Do you mean a framework without center pillars?
 
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Rooth07 Rooth07 said:
You mean framework without a middle pillar?
That is not an accurate description, but if I say yes, you understand. With three 7 m long load beams of glulam with maxed width, you can use 215x405 mm beams. Between these, you can place 45x120 C 24 in joist hangers at c/c 600. On top of that, screw-glued chipboard flooring.
 
J justusandersson said:
It is not an accurate description, but if I say yes, you will understand. With three 7 m long load-bearing beams of glulam with maximum width, you can use 215x405 mm beams. Between these, you can place 45x120 C 24 in joist hangers at c/c 600. On top of that, screw-glued floor particleboard.
Okay, but how would the trusses look like then, do you think?
 
Högben + hanbjälkar.
 
J justusandersson said:
Rafters + tie beams.
Are you thinking of something like this?
A schematic diagram of a wooden roof truss design with highlighted joint blocks, displaying structural elements and layout.
 
Yes, in principle.
 
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