Renovating a bedroom upstairs, 1.5 stories so I have sloped walls/ceilings between the ceiling and the "inner wall" to the attic which is about 1m high. Ceiling height is 2.3m. The current ceiling consists of very ugly gypsum boards that are overlapping, rectangular with chamfers creating a pattern. Painted with some thick and non-smooth paint. The ceiling is screwed directly into the rafters, the sloped ceiling is gypsum boards screwed against chipboard.
I am zero percent interested in keeping the gypsum. I'm not particularly keen on sanding the old paint, even less so potentially filling all those grooves if I end up wallpapering the ceiling or something. Instead, I'm very interested in a ceiling with a wood surface finish. I'd like something somewhat dark, I've fixated on oiled walnut which I think would go well with the wallpaper we've picked out. It will be about 25m2 to cover, including both ceiling and sloped ceiling.
So then comes the big question, what should one use to achieve that? There are "laminate panels" (at least for walls). There are solid wood panels of various kinds, smooth or "tongue and groove." Or (floor) parquet.
- I've been looking at panels, most of what I find is very dull white/gray MDF laminate or whatever it is, but something in this style would be interesting: https://shorturl.at/fFVul. Veneer panel. Practical with panels instead of boards, fewer seams. But how do you attach it to the ceiling...? And can you attach it to the gypsum (glue/screws), or am I forced to take it down and put up chipboard or battens instead? It feels risky to rely on such a large panel hanging only on glue in the middle (if we assume you can screw in the seams). I can theoretically, at least in the ceiling, screw from above in the attic. This particular one might be a bit too expensive for a DIYer like me to experiment with, but there must be cheaper budget options.
- Solid walnut is out of the question, I don't even want to think about what it costs, if you can even get it. But can you achieve a similar color with staining, on some kind of panel wood? It would have to be knot-free, so it doesn't just look like rotten pine. Solid wood slats feel like one of the easiest surface finishes to install.
- Installing parquet on the floor then. It's tricky enough to install it on the floor, it's unlikely to be more fun on the ceiling. Same issue as with the panel, can it be attached to the gypsum or does it need to go? Parquet is somewhat more manageable to handle but also has 100 times more seams to deal with. When I search around, it also feels like walnut is hard to find, I found one variant at "Kährs" with 3-strips (and 3-strips may not look super nice on the ceiling). I can also imagine that the price (which wasn't shown) is the same or higher than the cheaper walnut panels I've found....
Thoughts? Or should I just give up and realize it's actually easier to sand the gypsum and paint... 🙃
I am zero percent interested in keeping the gypsum. I'm not particularly keen on sanding the old paint, even less so potentially filling all those grooves if I end up wallpapering the ceiling or something. Instead, I'm very interested in a ceiling with a wood surface finish. I'd like something somewhat dark, I've fixated on oiled walnut which I think would go well with the wallpaper we've picked out. It will be about 25m2 to cover, including both ceiling and sloped ceiling.
So then comes the big question, what should one use to achieve that? There are "laminate panels" (at least for walls). There are solid wood panels of various kinds, smooth or "tongue and groove." Or (floor) parquet.
- I've been looking at panels, most of what I find is very dull white/gray MDF laminate or whatever it is, but something in this style would be interesting: https://shorturl.at/fFVul. Veneer panel. Practical with panels instead of boards, fewer seams. But how do you attach it to the ceiling...? And can you attach it to the gypsum (glue/screws), or am I forced to take it down and put up chipboard or battens instead? It feels risky to rely on such a large panel hanging only on glue in the middle (if we assume you can screw in the seams). I can theoretically, at least in the ceiling, screw from above in the attic. This particular one might be a bit too expensive for a DIYer like me to experiment with, but there must be cheaper budget options.
- Solid walnut is out of the question, I don't even want to think about what it costs, if you can even get it. But can you achieve a similar color with staining, on some kind of panel wood? It would have to be knot-free, so it doesn't just look like rotten pine. Solid wood slats feel like one of the easiest surface finishes to install.
- Installing parquet on the floor then. It's tricky enough to install it on the floor, it's unlikely to be more fun on the ceiling. Same issue as with the panel, can it be attached to the gypsum or does it need to go? Parquet is somewhat more manageable to handle but also has 100 times more seams to deal with. When I search around, it also feels like walnut is hard to find, I found one variant at "Kährs" with 3-strips (and 3-strips may not look super nice on the ceiling). I can also imagine that the price (which wasn't shown) is the same or higher than the cheaper walnut panels I've found....
Thoughts? Or should I just give up and realize it's actually easier to sand the gypsum and paint... 🙃
I'll keep monologuing for now....
Bauhaus sells this: https://www.bauhaus.se/vaggpanel-by-veno-valnot-2400x600x10mm
Reasonably priced, if the actual appearance meets expectations, it could clearly be an option. However, these have straight edges, so you'll have to glue or use visible screws/nails. But since I have access from the attic above, I can use something like a rampamuff that grips, and then screw the panel from above... I imagine that might not be a completely foolish idea after all. Gluing seems tricky and risky on the ceiling, and not particularly fun to remove later.
The sloped roof is worse, as I can't access it from above. However, I can glue there, against the chipboard behind the plaster. Alternatively, screw/glue the panel onto something that I can then use to screw/hang it in the ceiling in some clever way.
Bauhaus sells this: https://www.bauhaus.se/vaggpanel-by-veno-valnot-2400x600x10mm
Reasonably priced, if the actual appearance meets expectations, it could clearly be an option. However, these have straight edges, so you'll have to glue or use visible screws/nails. But since I have access from the attic above, I can use something like a rampamuff that grips, and then screw the panel from above... I imagine that might not be a completely foolish idea after all. Gluing seems tricky and risky on the ceiling, and not particularly fun to remove later.
The sloped roof is worse, as I can't access it from above. However, I can glue there, against the chipboard behind the plaster. Alternatively, screw/glue the panel onto something that I can then use to screw/hang it in the ceiling in some clever way.
Hey!
Crazy idea maybe, but it's always good to brainstorm and think things through before getting started! Here are a few points from my own experiences that I believe could be valuable for you:
Crazy idea maybe, but it's always good to brainstorm and think things through before getting started! Here are a few points from my own experiences that I believe could be valuable for you:
- Thickness and rampamuffar:
Bauhaus panels are only 10 mm thick, which can make it difficult to use rampamuffar without risking drilling through the material. You might want to rethink that part of the plan. - Time and challenges:
Some of the ideas you're considering could be very time-consuming and may involve both challenges and compromises along the way. Consider whether you have the time and patience to put in all the work required to reach the goal, or if you might want to consider easier methods. - Mounting method:
It's actually mentioned on the manufacturer's website that the panels can be mounted on the ceiling with their special mounting screw. They recommend placing the screws 30 cm apart and point out that it takes twice as many screws compared to wall mounting.- I also saw a video (link here) showing how the panels can be mounted using rails. This makes things a lot easier? and would allow you to avoid visible screws completely, which could be a nicer option. However, with ceiling mounting using rails, you should consider tighter screwing for the best results.
- Flatness of the ceiling:
Remember to check the flatness of the ceiling before you start. Large panels tend to highlight unevenness much more clearly than smaller materials, so it's worth spending time making the surface as straight as possible before mounting.
You have received a good answer above.
I also want to say that since it concerns an upper floor with limited ceiling height, I think you should remove the old plasterboard in the ceiling if possible, so as not to reduce the ceiling height more than necessary.
I also want to say that since it concerns an upper floor with limited ceiling height, I think you should remove the old plasterboard in the ceiling if possible, so as not to reduce the ceiling height more than necessary.
Late to the party here...H hugosell said:Hey!
Crazy idea maybe, but it's always good to brainstorm and think things through before getting started! Here are a few points from my own experiences that I think could be valuable for you:
Damn fine walnut panels it seems! Don't forget to take photos before, during, and after the work!
- Thickness and rampamuffar:
The Bauhaus panels are only 10 mm thick, which can make it difficult to use rampamuffar without risking drilling through the material. You might want to reconsider that part of the plan.- Time and challenges:
Some of the ideas you're considering can become very time-consuming and involve both challenges and compromises along the way. Consider if you have the time and patience to invest in all the work required to reach the goal, or if you might consider easier methods.- Mounting method:
On the manufacturer's website, it is indeed mentioned that the panels can be mounted on the ceiling with their special mounting screws. They recommend placing screws 30 cm apart and point out that it requires twice as many screws compared to wall mounting.
- I also saw a video (link here) that shows how the panels can be mounted using tracks. This simplifies things a lot? and would allow you to avoid visible screws entirely, which might be a nicer alternative. When mounting to the ceiling with tracks, however, you should consider tighter screwing for the best results.
- Evenness of the ceiling:
Remember to check the evenness of the ceiling before you begin. Large panels tend to highlight unevenness much more clearly than smaller materials, so it's worth taking the time to get the surface as straight as possible before mounting.
Yes, I saw that "wallribbon" has tracks for their panels, which would have been super convenient for the installation, clearly. It weighs in favor of using them instead of venö panels (let's pretend they're equally nice in real life and focus on the technical aspects...). I'm wondering if something similar could be achieved with DIY solutions on the venö panel and thus get away a bit cheaper.
And yes, I have thought about the (un)evenness of the ceiling, which argues for tearing down the drywall and putting up beams between the han-bands, leveling them and then board/ track/ panel or similar.
I think all other ideas are scrapped; it feels like it will either be board-panel or just painted, simply put.