Sheet Metal Work - Should It Look Like This?

Joakim88 · 10 Sep 2021 at 6:20 PM

Had the roofer at our house today. We're getting some different things done on the roof, and he started with the flashing at the base of the chimney. The chimney will be plastered later, so this should be a flashing with a "plaster edge."

Since he also started on the dormer, I assume he considers himself done with the base flashing.

I can admit that I've never seen a base flashing up close, but I have to admit I was disappointed when I saw what was installed on our chimney when I got home. Is it supposed to look like this? (the picture with black sheet metal is of the flashing over the window on the dormer)

Krilleman · 10 Sep 2021 at 6:26 PM

It is not a tinsmith who did that work.

Holes in several places, even where soft sealant has been used.

Complain!

Have you paid any invoice for this? I hope not...

Joakim88 · 10 Sep 2021 at 6:30 PM

Krilleman said:
It is not a tinsmith who has done that work.

Holes in several places, even where soft sealant has been used.

Complain!

Have you paid any invoice for this? Hope not...

No, we haven't paid anything yet. They/he will continue on Monday.

Huddingebo · 10 Sep 2021 at 6:41 PM

Is it a sheet metal workshop you have hired?

Joakim88 · 10 Sep 2021 at 6:42 PM

Huddingebo said:
Is it a sheet metal workshop you have hired?

Yes. A company focused only on sheet metal work.

Krilleman · 10 Sep 2021 at 6:48 PM

Is it an apprentice who did the job?
Newly opened sheet metal company?

However, it doesn't look very professional.
Stop the work before it's too late!

Joakim88 · 10 Sep 2021 at 6:59 PM

Krilleman said:
Is it an apprentice who did the job?
Newly opened sheet metal company?

Doesn't look very professional though.
Stop the work before it's too late!

I haven't been informed that it's an apprentice, and he's been working alone all day without supervision. As far as I know, the company has been around in the area for a while, but I'm not sure exactly how long. Some employees and both younger and older people work there according to the website.

Krilleman · 10 Sep 2021 at 7:29 PM

Then you call the person in charge at the company directly on Monday morning and request that he/she comes out to inspect, you should not pay for that.

Redo and do it right!

It is also worth considering that if a company makes a mistake, they always have the right to correct their errors.

Noramasen · 10 Sep 2021 at 11:37 PM

A downright miserable job. If you are completely lacking in professional pride or knowledge, you leave an execution like this. There are many opinions, but the most important errors that absolutely should not exist and should be pointed out to the company are:

The so-called plaster edge where the execution is completely wrong. A proper plaster edge should consist of a "shelf" that is over-bent at about 110º (with overlap) so that if the plaster gaps in the future, the water runs off the chimney and not into it. And there should NOT be any seal there as the plaster does not adhere to it.
Left a folding without tying which can cause real harm. And this tying should occur under the plaster edge.
All sides should meet at their corners; otherwise, there will be different heights on the sides when the plaster is applied.
If plaster is applied to the chimney, for heaven's sake, there should not be any visible screws of the mounting type, but rather hidden fastenings with clamps.
And the same applies to the type of fold cut in corners. It should be of the curved type.

Furthermore, it's difficult to see what kind of black flashing it is despite the description, but regardless of how exposed the location is, it does not look good. Please take a picture from a bit more distance so it becomes clearer and suggestions for alternative solutions can be provided.
Best regards/Masen

plåtrickard · 11 Sep 2021 at 12:33 AM

I think the black is an overflashing on a dormer
Otherwise, it is not beautiful...

Joakim88 · 11 Sep 2021 at 7:33 AM

Noramasen said:
A downright deplorable job. If you are completely devoid of professional pride or knowledge, you leave an execution like this. There are many opinions, but the most important errors that absolutely should not be there, and which should be pointed out to the company are:

The so-called rendering edge where the execution is completely crazy. A proper rendering edge should consist of a "shelf" that is over-bent at about 110º (with coverage) so that if the rendering eventually gaps, the water runs off the chimney and not into it. And there should NOT be any joint there as the rendering doesn't adhere to it.

left a seam without binding which could seriously injure someone. And this binding should occur under the rendering edge.

All sides should be meeting in their corners, otherwise, there will be different heights on the sides when the rendering is applied.

If you're spending on rendering the chimney, for heaven's sake, no visible screws of the mounting type should be seen, only concealed attachments with brackets.

And the same applies to the seam type of cuts in corners. It should be of the rounded type.

Furthermore, it's hard to see what the black flashing is despite the description, but regardless of how exposed the location is, it doesn't look good. Please take a picture from further away so it becomes clearer and alternative solutions can be suggested.
Kind regards/Masen

Thanks for a detailed response.

Just as plåtrickard writes, it's a coping on the dormer (shed roof). It's located directly under the eaves and above the window. I have no more pictures and am working today, so unfortunately, I cannot provide more images right now.

Joakim88 · 13 Sep 2021 at 5:47 PM

For those who are curious. Here is the seizure today. The company was contacted via email with pictures over the weekend and the owner was called this morning. 100 excuses but not a single apology. But now they have taken down the seizure and are starting over from scratch.

According to what has been promised, it will be with plaster list according to AMA, rounding, no mounting screws through the edges of the seizure, and simply done more neatly. I hope they can deliver.

Comments on the scaffolding are not welcome as I know it is not "approved." It is our private scaffold and has so far in the work only been used for private purposes. The sheet metal shop that is now here has been asked if it is okay for them to work from or if we can improve/supplement, to which they have said no.

fribygg · 13 Sep 2021 at 6:27 PM

J Joakim88 said:
Yes. Company focused only on sheet metal work.

What a pity that they didn't send a sheet metal worker to you but someone with no sense for the trade.
You probably would have made it tighter if you had done it yourself; don't waste your time and effort with that company again, but let us know the name of the company.

Joakim88 · 13 Sep 2021 at 6:55 PM

F fribygg said:
What a pity that they didn't send a metalworker to you but someone completely without a feel for the trade. You probably would have made it tighter if you had done it yourself, don't waste your time and effort with that company again without letting us know the name of the company.

They have the right to try to correct their mistakes. Anyone can happen to hire bad apples. We'll see tomorrow how the new fitting looks.

Noramasen · 13 Sep 2021 at 8:37 PM

J Joakim88 said:
They have the right to try to correct their mistakes. Anyone can accidentally hire a troublemaker. We'll see tomorrow how the new handling looks.

An entirely good attitude. Companies in construction don't have a homogeneous knowledge base; it varies from person to person, but it's up to management to put the right person where they "belong." And it's unfortunate for everyone when things don't go well. Hopefully, that roofer and/or management will just learn from it.
Good luck

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