Was similar in our house. The modules are themselves load-bearing, and the "hammarbandet" lies on top of them. When we redid the insulation, we replaced the modules with a proper stud frame with vertical studs under each roof truss. The modules needed both chipboard on the inside and paneling on the outside to have full load-bearing capacity.
NOTE: the main frame must be able to take the point load. We reinforced because of this.
Sounds smart, but did you remove any of the existing structure then, or did you just add studs?
We will do something similar, placing studs from the roof trusses down to the sill plate, and then reinforce with additional studs.
But instead of doing as you did, tearing off all the paneling on the entire wall, couldn't one consider replacing small sections at a time..?
This wall is as it is, but if you are going to continue on the other walls, that should be a less risky method…
Absolutely, had we known the panel was load-bearing, we would have done things differently.
We actually considered taking it in sections now as well, but received other advice.
As mentioned, no one predicted or understood that the paneling was load-bearing all the way up.
The builders I've spoken with now, who have seen the disaster, all say the same thing, that it is very strangely built.
Sounds smart, but did you remove any of the existing structure or did you just add studs?
We will do something similar, attach studs from the rafters down to the sill, and then reinforce with additional studs.
By base frame, what do you mean?
I meant the bearer as our house stands on plinths.
We propped up the roof and removed one section at a time and replaced the modules with a regular studded wall.
I meant the main beam since our house is on pillars.
We propped up the roof and removed one section at a time and replaced the modules with a regular framed wall.
Ah ok, ours is on a masonry basement. But we will reinforce above the sill as well.
Smart, I think it would have been both easier and cheaper! This is also why we're only doing one side this year, to learn how the house is built. But there will be no more sides after that, I'm done with this now
No, of course not, that's what I'm saying we can't do. So then I understood you correctly, that you mean outside and not into the existing construction.
Yes. What occurred to me is that even the boards with insulation may have had a stabilizing function. However, several of them seem to be in very poor condition. What will you replace them with? Is there even anything equivalent? If not, you might need to add extra vertical studs inside the sections to support the roof's weight.
Yes. What struck me is that even the boards with insulation may have had a stabilizing function. However, several of them seem to be in very poor condition. What will you replace them with? Is there even anything equivalent? If not, you may need to put extra vertical studs inside the sections as well to support the weight of the roof.
Yes, to some extent they seem to have had that, and many were in poor condition and didn't even fill their space. So if they contribute to the load-bearing function, they can't have done much. Someone here described it as a sandwich construction, many small thin layers that together support.
It will involve re-framing the entire wall, both in the sections and then on the outside for additional insulation, with 60 cm spacing. And then we'll also replace those boards with completely new insulation. Not really what we expected, but in the context, it doesn't matter.
Do you mean to place them (45x70) on top of existing studs?
Yes, exactly, since you were planning to add insulation and you mentioned 45x70.
Of course, it will be even more reliable if you also put small studs inside the wall, between the horizontal nailing and support studs.
Because I was thinking of external placement, it's important that the fastening is substantial. It's not as critical if you also stud inside the existing wall sections.
Yes, to some extent they seem to have had that, and many were in bad condition and didn't even fill their space. So if they contribute to the load-bearing function, they couldn't have done much. Someone here described it as a sandwich construction, many thin layers that together support.
The entire wall will be framed, both in the cavities and then outside for additional insulation, with cc 60. And then we replace those panels as well, so it becomes completely new insulation. Not quite what we anticipated, but in the context it doesn't matter.
I just want to say that I think you have done most things right and that this situation was quite difficult to foresee. Looking forward to a photo of the additionally insulated and newly paneled wall.
Is it possible to find out if the house originally had tiles on the roof??
In the past, there were quite a few houses with paper roofs, which later received clay/concrete tiles, significantly increasing the weight.
Is it possible to find out if the house originally had tiles on the roof?
In the past, there were quite a few houses with tar paper roofs, which later got clay/concrete tiles, significantly increasing the weight.
Yes, it had tiles from the beginning. There is both photographic evidence and it is stated in the building descriptions/house order that remain.
I just want to say that I think you've done mostly right and that this situation was quite difficult to foresee. Looking forward to a photo of the additionally insulated and newly paneled wall.
Thank you! It helps to hear. Even though I know that even experienced people can end up in difficult and unforeseeable situations, right now I feel like never doing anything construction-related again, especially not things that are "just easy to do." A relative (who is a builder) said that panic is part of old houses. But no thanks
I'll find a garden project instead.
Thank you! It's helpful to hear. Even though I know that even experienced people can end up in difficult and unpredictable situations, right now I just feel like never again anything construction-related, especially not things that "are easy to do". A relative (who is a builder) said that panic is part of old houses. But no thanks
I'll find a gardening project instead.
You will finish building the wall and swear like a madman, and three weeks later you'll go and look at the wall on the other side and start planning how to do everything better this time.
I think the tone has been quite harsh.
Where people have almost treated Ts as foolish. It's completely unnecessary and I'm not so sure others would have really done differently.
I myself wouldn't have thought that the wood paneling was load-bearing...
Many have supported and given advice on how to solve the issue. That's the part of building a house I like...
I'm wondering if the wall took on a load-bearing function when part of the wall crumbled.
But I'm also just guessing a bit myself.
However, we can conclude that you shouldn't set a completion date or time.
I believe the house will be better built when you're done. Just don't use building plastic. It doesn't suit old houses and if it's not sealed, then...
Do you think a burnt child fears the fire? Nope, that's not how it is. You'll soon be starting new projects.
You've learned a lot of new things.
Old houses aren't a panic. Old houses just take a little more time! And many fun surprises.
Thank you! It helps to hear. Even though I know that even experienced people can end up in difficult and unpredictable situations, right now I feel like never again anything construction-related, especially not something that's "just to do." A relative (who is a builder) said that panic is part of old houses. But no thanks
I'll find a garden project instead.
You learn from making mistakes. As mentioned, no one could have predicted this. And SOMETHING had to be done anyway.
No, see it as a learning experience, something you do to climb up a step on the knowledge ladder. Or as I usually encourage my youngest son when he gets stuck with schoolwork: We do not do these things because they’re easy,
but because they’re HARD.
—John F. Kennedy
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