Still, impressive work to manage tearing down the entire wall before you stopped to think about how it actually fits together...
As a temporary solution until you've figured out your next steps, I would have run out and nailed up standing 2x4” studs or props under each rafter so that the roof doesn't continue to settle….
As a temporary solution until you've figured out your next steps, I would have run out and nailed up standing 2x4” studs or props under each rafter so that the roof doesn't continue to settle….
There was some thought and consultation during the work, and a few planks were removed at a time to see what was underneath, and no problems were identified with the wall. No one believed that the top plate was only supported by the facade, especially since it was cut. We assumed there were supporting elements hidden in the filler. We hadn't planned on touching the filler and intended to leave it as is, so it wasn't disturbed.E Et1975 said:
Already done.
One must understand the construction before modifying or demolishing. A relevant example from the other side of the Atlantic:
Not entirely unlike when the builder there apparently didn't understand that there were no supporting beams in the wall, and the bricks themselves were the load-bearing part.
Not entirely unlike when the builder there apparently didn't understand that there were no supporting beams in the wall, and the bricks themselves were the load-bearing part.
And as I already wrote in the thread, we didn't just start tearing everything down. We opened up a few spots first, checked how it looked, etc.MultiMan said:
Edit: The only thing we removed is the paneling, we haven't demolished anything else.
Sure, but you didn't understand how it was constructed and should have called someone with more knowledge.
Still good that you started the thread so that others might not make the same mistake.
Still good that you started the thread so that others might not make the same mistake.
I would have tried to get the load-bearing elements from the trusses all the way down to the sill, to stop further settling in the roof before you decide how to proceed. But maybe it's "already done"?
Calm down. The trusses rest on the top plate of the wall. Under your red circles in the pictures, you can see the end of the bottom frame. The plate that sits under the truss heels is not load-bearing, but the panel was part of the load-bearing structure.
So, you need to restore the wall's strength before you install the new panel further out.
So, you need to restore the wall's strength before you install the new panel further out.
You, we have both called, talked to industry people, people in building stores and timber yards, and used several forums. In several cases, we have shown pictures. We also have access to the original drawings, which unfortunately are a bit difficult to interpret and in poor condition.
No one anywhere has said anything other than go ahead.
Did you speak with a trained civil engineer?
It's more about finding the "right" person rather than what qualifications they have. ANYONE who knows how this is constructed could have answered the question. How do you know when you've received the right answer? In construction, there are always 100 ways to solve it.
I am very technically inclined and understand how forces and such affect each other. I realize the problem that has arisen.
But I never in my wildest dreams could have imagined that panels, which most likely need to be replaced from time to time, are also supporting a roof truss. It seems like an idiotic way to build.
But you learn things all the time.
Step one now should be to ensure that it doesn't sink in the future.
Step two should be to raise the top plates.
Step three ensure for the future that you can access and replace panels as needed.
A question for the OP: do you have drawings that show what the trusses look like? In another thread, you seem to have wall sections. Is there something similar for the roof?
I can see the modules in the wall now, but I also note that they stop quite a bit below the roof. It seems that it's the ground floor walls that are in modules and that the trusses and roof construction are placed separately on top. The main issue doesn't seem to be the wall plate, as I believe the roof is supported by beams further in, but rather the load-bearing capacity of the wall now that the panel is gone. It's good that the OP has now braced with 2"4 or similar on the outside to compensate for the panel. What is needed now is help with calculating how to replace (if it's possible to replace) the stabilizing effect of the panel with the 45×70 that the OP plans to use for additional insulation.
I can see the modules in the wall now, but I also note that they stop quite a bit below the roof. It seems that it's the ground floor walls that are in modules and that the trusses and roof construction are placed separately on top. The main issue doesn't seem to be the wall plate, as I believe the roof is supported by beams further in, but rather the load-bearing capacity of the wall now that the panel is gone. It's good that the OP has now braced with 2"4 or similar on the outside to compensate for the panel. What is needed now is help with calculating how to replace (if it's possible to replace) the stabilizing effect of the panel with the 45×70 that the OP plans to use for additional insulation.
Thanks! I guess more plates are needed.Matti_75 said:
Found this, but how accurate it is, I don't know.Henningelvis said:
The 2 pieces of advice I've received so far are:
1. Place another beam underneath, aligned with all the joints. Lift (it's about 5cm that's sunk in the middle) and then brace across above the beams in the wall.
2. Place beams at cc 60 throughout the wall under roof trusses/beams. However, they are not in a log, so it would be beams everywhere.