76 cm free measurement with the bathroom door open is the minimum measurement for accessibility adaptation.
Are they 7x21 doors?BirgitS said:
No, 9x21 because the module measurement refers to the hole in the wall before you put the frame in.Kycklingen said:
Exactly, you need to check the bylaws.Krille-72 said:
Here I must correct you for onceif I'm interpreting your response correctly.
You actually need to read the bylaws to see WHO is responsible for non-load-bearing interior walls. My experience says that it is uncommon for a member to be responsible for non-load-bearing interior walls according to the association's bylaws, EVEN if there are associations where the member is responsible for just the non-load-bearing interior walls.
I have my own share in a condominium association and that association, like TS's association in its bylaws, has placed the responsibility for interior walls (that are not load-bearing) on the condominium owners. But you are probably right that there are associations that take full responsibility for the interior walls, even the non-load-bearing ones.
Sorry for making it complicated now, I'm planning to have a thinner frame design, should that be included in the width of the door, totaling 9 dm... or how should one think? My interior door today, the door itself is 82 cm. If I include the thick frame from both sides, we end up with about 100 cm in width.
Why ask the association, they are not concerned with the width of interior doors, it is your responsibility according to the association's statutes. Find out what applies according to BBR instead and follow those rules. Boverket.se is a goldmine!
Claes, I am afraid of my chairman of the board, have heard from other neighbors where he knocked and requested to inspect the apartment. Many have said he thinks "he owns the building" and he has made this his full-time job.Claes Sörmland said:
You're not confusing the frame with the door trim, are you? But in terms of accessibility, it's the measurement between the frame on the handle side and the door leaf when it's open straight out. That is the measurement required for a wheelchair to pass through.
The board has the right to inspect the apartment, but if he knocks, ask him to contact you via email to arrange a time for the inspection. Ask him not to ring the doorbell as he behaves unpleasantly and inappropriately. The board's right to inspect does not give them any power beyond what is regulated in BRL and the bylaws. They can think what they want about matters they do not control.
Furthermore, you cannot have a board chairman whom the neighborhood does not trust and who exhibits unhealthy behaviors. Make sure to choose better people than this inappropriate individual for the board. It sounds more like you neighbors should ostracize him from the community, or at least ensure he doesn't end up in positions where he can abuse his position of trust.
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Some general thoughts regarding the board and the attitude towards/from it, now that Justus has stated that the wall is not load-bearing, if he writes it, then that's the case.
The board's response is extremely unprofessional, that's simply not how you write, but we must not forget that the board is actually not professional either. It's not an excuse, but it can perhaps be an explanation, a little on how the subject has presented the matter regarding issues such as the board's competence, expectation of the board's knowledge, expectation of time aspects, etc. Those who want to rebuild often want to get started as quickly as possible and may not understand that it can take time to get a response from a board. Perhaps the board meets 6-12 times a year and if you have already dealt with a matter at a board meeting and then new things come up where the resident wants an answer quickly and doesn’t want to wait for the next board meeting 2 months away, but rather pressures the board members (or the chairman) then I can understand that the answer becomes accordingly. I have myself been the chairman of a housing association for many years and people could call at any time with all sorts of (and impossible) questions. I would never have responded as this board did, but sometimes one gets tired.
The board's task is to take care of the association, not to be construction experts or hold all members' hands all the time. Your neighbors are the board. A nurse, a car mechanic, an application developer, a bus driver, a teacher, etc. Why should they be experts in construction technology (or why should the electrician be able to determine if a wall is load-bearing or not?). Why should the association (the neighbors) pay to investigate whether a specific member can remodel? It's reasonable for the person who wants to remodel to cover all costs themselves.
The board chairman should be replaced at the next annual meeting if it is as bad as described!
I don't know how the subject approached the board, but the title in both threads "the board resists" feels doubtful. The board just requires the member to take charge of their own renovation and provide the necessary decision support.
If the board is bad, it is recommended that one expresses interest in joining the board to influence. Maybe one gets a different view of the board after a while then, when neighbors knock on your door every day because the light bulb in their bathroom has burned out, etc...
Note! I'm not saying the subject did anything wrong, rather it is more of a general reflection.
The board's response is extremely unprofessional, that's simply not how you write, but we must not forget that the board is actually not professional either. It's not an excuse, but it can perhaps be an explanation, a little on how the subject has presented the matter regarding issues such as the board's competence, expectation of the board's knowledge, expectation of time aspects, etc. Those who want to rebuild often want to get started as quickly as possible and may not understand that it can take time to get a response from a board. Perhaps the board meets 6-12 times a year and if you have already dealt with a matter at a board meeting and then new things come up where the resident wants an answer quickly and doesn’t want to wait for the next board meeting 2 months away, but rather pressures the board members (or the chairman) then I can understand that the answer becomes accordingly. I have myself been the chairman of a housing association for many years and people could call at any time with all sorts of (and impossible) questions. I would never have responded as this board did, but sometimes one gets tired.
The board's task is to take care of the association, not to be construction experts or hold all members' hands all the time. Your neighbors are the board. A nurse, a car mechanic, an application developer, a bus driver, a teacher, etc. Why should they be experts in construction technology (or why should the electrician be able to determine if a wall is load-bearing or not?). Why should the association (the neighbors) pay to investigate whether a specific member can remodel? It's reasonable for the person who wants to remodel to cover all costs themselves.
The board chairman should be replaced at the next annual meeting if it is as bad as described!
I don't know how the subject approached the board, but the title in both threads "the board resists" feels doubtful. The board just requires the member to take charge of their own renovation and provide the necessary decision support.
If the board is bad, it is recommended that one expresses interest in joining the board to influence. Maybe one gets a different view of the board after a while then, when neighbors knock on your door every day because the light bulb in their bathroom has burned out, etc...
Note! I'm not saying the subject did anything wrong, rather it is more of a general reflection.
I agree that one must be realistic about processing times in a non-profit housing cooperative; a couple of months, maybe three, is quite common. First, you have to wait for the next board meeting, then the issue has to be raised and discussed. Then the board has to find a "volunteer" who can handle it. And then another month goes by before the next board meeting. If it's June-August or Christmas-New Year, operations are at a standstill.
But in many cases, the chairman might act independently and start issuing vague oral and written approvals via email. It's human to want to act immediately, be helpful, and get the issue out of the way. But it often goes wrong and is not appropriate. By wrong, I mean that the board, through the headstrong chairman, acts as in the thread and assumes it has decision-making power over matters that are not for the board to decide. Do not elect such chairmen, even if they have a dynamic personality. The best housing cooperative board is quite a stodgy affair.
But in many cases, the chairman might act independently and start issuing vague oral and written approvals via email. It's human to want to act immediately, be helpful, and get the issue out of the way. But it often goes wrong and is not appropriate. By wrong, I mean that the board, through the headstrong chairman, acts as in the thread and assumes it has decision-making power over matters that are not for the board to decide. Do not elect such chairmen, even if they have a dynamic personality. The best housing cooperative board is quite a stodgy affair.
Yes, having served on many boards, both in BRF and in associational life, I largely agree with you. To me, a really good board is a mix, with a visionary who comes up with lots of ideas (many crazy, but some good), some skeptics (people who slow down the visionary's craziest ideas but can be convinced), and some doers. Preferably someone with a really good sense of order as well. Then there should be people who know what type they themselves are and who respect the other types, and of course, everyone must dare to express their opinion. I know myself that I am the skeptic type, which I consider necessary, but I also need to be aware that I might say no a little too often, so I actually force myself to think a bit more positively sometimes.
The worst boards are those where one person becomes all-powerful, either because they take it upon themselves or because the others really don't do anything at all. I myself have been forced to become the all-powerful chairman in a board one year when the other people didn't want to do anything more than have some coffee at the board meetings. I informed the election committee that we needed some other people for the next election.
Have the same experiences, and a common scenario is boards that just want to have coffee, just as you write.Fairlane said:
But really, they are not a bigger problem for a BRF in the short term. They only become a problem over time when the management of the property slowly but surely deteriorates, and maintenance debts grow.
An enterprising and ignorant board that does not allow itself to be limited by finances, legislation, or statutes is a more immediate threat to a housing association and the residents. They can run the entire economy into the ground in a short time.
My experience is that there is usually no lack of ambitions, but there are quite a lot of people who lack the ability to realize something. That is, the will, ideas, and decisions are there but nothing concrete gets done.
Worse still, as you write, when board members do not understand their mission, the organizational form, and the legal frameworks, but see themselves as some sort of management team that should control everything that happens within the association.
I could probably write a book about housing association boards. After 20 years dealing with insurance claims, I've encountered quite a few amusing characters. In our case, it's usually the Chairman we have contact with. Many holding this position see themselves as some sort of boss. They guess and tell both us and the insurance companies what applies in his association. (It's always been a 'he' when it's this type of person). They completely disregard the bylaws and housing association law. Without hesitation, they can enter a resident's home and tell them that the costs will fall on the resident. Even though the insurance company has sent out a liability division that should be followed. In the end, it is also the liability division that is followed. Although I actually know of cases where residents have been "forced" to pay the association afterward because they didn't dare do otherwise.
Then we have the Chairmen who aren't even aware that an association has bylaws. They've never even heard of housing association law.
We are all new at first, but I'm talking about people who have no clue how a housing association functions at all. When it then emerges that they've held the post for several years, you get chills. Quite often yes-men to most things. How anchored this is with the board is much harder to understand.
But now some praise. Most of the Chairmen and board members I've encountered over the years are very nice and commit themselves a lot for their members. They put their whole soul into the task. They are fairly well-informed and if there's something they don’t know, they find out.
People who have never been involved in the associative life or housing associations probably don't understand the immense work some people put in. In their free time, moreover.
So today's Rose goes to all current board members and everyone who has previously involved themselves in a housing association board.
Ps. Everyone buying a housing association should have to take a simple test that they must pass before they can become members of a housing association.
Then we have the Chairmen who aren't even aware that an association has bylaws. They've never even heard of housing association law.
We are all new at first, but I'm talking about people who have no clue how a housing association functions at all. When it then emerges that they've held the post for several years, you get chills. Quite often yes-men to most things. How anchored this is with the board is much harder to understand.
But now some praise. Most of the Chairmen and board members I've encountered over the years are very nice and commit themselves a lot for their members. They put their whole soul into the task. They are fairly well-informed and if there's something they don’t know, they find out.
People who have never been involved in the associative life or housing associations probably don't understand the immense work some people put in. In their free time, moreover.
So today's Rose goes to all current board members and everyone who has previously involved themselves in a housing association board.
Ps. Everyone buying a housing association should have to take a simple test that they must pass before they can become members of a housing association.