I actually only have experience with the insulation and wood from ByggMax. The wood (especially the treated kind) has in many cases been better than what I've bought from the local lumberyard. At least it hasn't been worse.
The only negative thing I have to say about the insulation is that it smells like fish if it gets wet.
The only negative thing I have to say about the insulation is that it smells like fish if it gets wet.
It is worth noting that styrman1 does not point out anything negative about byggmax timber. Always something positive!
I, who didn't intend to comment further in this thread...
I am not running a hate campaign against Byggmax and my claims are, as I mentioned earlier in other threads, hearsay but in other cases well-supported with facts, even though I don't disclose my sources.
I personally shop at Byggmax sometimes but not for items of lesser quality.
I've bought pressure-treated wood when my usual supplier didn't have the right lengths in stock.
I also bought sewer pipes on a Sunday when my usual supplier was closed. However, I had to measure it myself as the junior employee didn't know what 100mm sewer pipes were.
Regarding my criticism of Byggmax, I'll provide an example where Byggmax deliberately buys substandard quality:
They purchase their roofing plastic from Glasfiber och plast. (at least they used to)
They specially ordered a really cheap plastic to sell cheaply.
The supplier developed such a product, manufactured on a Kibbutz in Israel, but refused to put their name on it as they didn't want to be associated with such poor quality.
In connection with this, Byggmax was warned not to store it outdoors as it doesn't tolerate UV radiation.
Source: an acquaintance of mine who works at Glasfiber och plast. I won't disclose more out of respect for him.
As for insulation, I shopped at Faringe såg in Vällingby and received very good information about what distinguished their quality from Byggmax. It was a long time ago, so I don't remember the details, but they had full-page ads about "the villain Max," which were later reported to the police, according to my contact at Faringe såg.
Do shop at Byggmax if you like, but just compare prices correctly.
A few examples:
Polystyrene under a foundation should be S100 quality. Byggmax used to sell S80; now, I don't know what they sell anymore.
Reinforcing mats are standard with 150x150 squares. Byggmax previously had 200x200 squares.
I haven't complained about the timber, but it's important to choose carefully there as it's not particularly well-organized, so if the pieces were good when they arrived, they could easily become warped when customers shuffle through the piles.
What I have against Byggmax is that they often sell a lower quality but market it as the same quality others sell.
Shop wherever you want but be critical and compare.
I maintain: not everything cheap is automatically just as good.
I am not running a hate campaign against Byggmax and my claims are, as I mentioned earlier in other threads, hearsay but in other cases well-supported with facts, even though I don't disclose my sources.
I personally shop at Byggmax sometimes but not for items of lesser quality.
I've bought pressure-treated wood when my usual supplier didn't have the right lengths in stock.
I also bought sewer pipes on a Sunday when my usual supplier was closed. However, I had to measure it myself as the junior employee didn't know what 100mm sewer pipes were.
Regarding my criticism of Byggmax, I'll provide an example where Byggmax deliberately buys substandard quality:
They purchase their roofing plastic from Glasfiber och plast. (at least they used to)
They specially ordered a really cheap plastic to sell cheaply.
The supplier developed such a product, manufactured on a Kibbutz in Israel, but refused to put their name on it as they didn't want to be associated with such poor quality.
In connection with this, Byggmax was warned not to store it outdoors as it doesn't tolerate UV radiation.
Source: an acquaintance of mine who works at Glasfiber och plast. I won't disclose more out of respect for him.
As for insulation, I shopped at Faringe såg in Vällingby and received very good information about what distinguished their quality from Byggmax. It was a long time ago, so I don't remember the details, but they had full-page ads about "the villain Max," which were later reported to the police, according to my contact at Faringe såg.
Do shop at Byggmax if you like, but just compare prices correctly.
A few examples:
Polystyrene under a foundation should be S100 quality. Byggmax used to sell S80; now, I don't know what they sell anymore.
Reinforcing mats are standard with 150x150 squares. Byggmax previously had 200x200 squares.
I haven't complained about the timber, but it's important to choose carefully there as it's not particularly well-organized, so if the pieces were good when they arrived, they could easily become warped when customers shuffle through the piles.
What I have against Byggmax is that they often sell a lower quality but market it as the same quality others sell.
Shop wherever you want but be critical and compare.
I maintain: not everything cheap is automatically just as good.
Supplement:
Statements thrown out into the air?
Sure, some might appear that way, but it's easy for anyone to check with their own eyes.
For example:
S80 quality is worse than S100, but if you know nothing about building materials, you might think it's the same?
Same with the reinforcement.
Like the flooring boards: I don't remember which magazine it was, but it was when I was about to lay my flooring boards that I read up and found an article about a test where the Buildmax boards didn't measure up.
It's up to each individual to believe me or not.
Statements thrown out into the air?
Sure, some might appear that way, but it's easy for anyone to check with their own eyes.
For example:
S80 quality is worse than S100, but if you know nothing about building materials, you might think it's the same?
Same with the reinforcement.
Like the flooring boards: I don't remember which magazine it was, but it was when I was about to lay my flooring boards that I read up and found an article about a test where the Buildmax boards didn't measure up.
It's up to each individual to believe me or not.
styrman1 said:
There is probably a lot of truth in Styrman's claims about Byggmax articles. Sometimes you get what you pay for, but not always... I have done some price comparisons on similar products. Compare Beijer/K-Rauta/Byggmax. There, Byggmax has always had the lowest price. Regarding the discussion about insulation (like Ursa versus more expensive variants), the EU standard applies, and even though, for example, Paroc is nicer to work with, Ursa is comparable in insulating ability. If anyone doubts, you can do as I did and contact the manufacturers to discuss insulation values
Are you referring to my post?styrman1 said:
Sure, what one can see, one can also compare. But if you claim that ByggMax calculates insulation values differently from everyone else, it becomes harder for us to determine if what you’re writing is true or not. And if this information is solely based on something you heard from a competitor to ByggMax, one can indeed question the source. Or what do you think? If ByggMax said the same thing about your supplier, would you take it at face value?
I have never seen other insulation at Byggmax than from URSA, which comes from Spain, therefore not an "Eastern country". Regarding insulation from "some Eastern European country," both Isover (France) and Rockwool (Denmark) are manufactured in, among other places, Poland, where I occasionally shop for building materials. Do you think the quality of Swedish-sold Rockwool products differs in any way from that in the other 28 countries where Rockwool is sold?styrman1 said:
Different measurement standard? Well, I would like to know more about that.
No rush, you can always find out the facts and get back to me.styrman1 said:
I have used Byggmax's Johns Manville insulation for 2x45 additional insulation.
When compared to the Isover 36-board that I bought instead on the last purchase, the Isover feels much sturdier to work with. John Manville is flimsy and difficult to cut straight. Additionally, it creates a "bulge" between the studs and almost touches the paneling. I will need to insert an "extra" stud just to fit the wind barrier so that it doesn't touch the paneling and to ensure full ventilation. The Isover board doesn't bulge in the same way.
Also, it seems like Byggmax alternates between Knauf insulation and Johns Manville. Without having tested it, I would suspect that Knauf meets the Isover standard. So, it could definitely vary depending on which insulation Byggmax is working with at the time.
However, there's no reason to believe that the insulation ratings would be incorrect, right?
When compared to the Isover 36-board that I bought instead on the last purchase, the Isover feels much sturdier to work with. John Manville is flimsy and difficult to cut straight. Additionally, it creates a "bulge" between the studs and almost touches the paneling. I will need to insert an "extra" stud just to fit the wind barrier so that it doesn't touch the paneling and to ensure full ventilation. The Isover board doesn't bulge in the same way.
Also, it seems like Byggmax alternates between Knauf insulation and Johns Manville. Without having tested it, I would suspect that Knauf meets the Isover standard. So, it could definitely vary depending on which insulation Byggmax is working with at the time.
However, there's no reason to believe that the insulation ratings would be incorrect, right?
I know for sure that BM insulation can be of more uneven quality because I've experienced that their 120mm sometimes on a roll has been so thin that you could see through it, which can hardly give the correct value if you measure there?? However, you might be able to compensate for this by going up a couple of dimensions for the same price as more expensive brands?
I bought their roll insulation 45mm and found that it had very little will of its own. If pressed, it became flat as a pancake, but on the other hand, I was completely satisfied with the boards. But then again, there is a bit of a price difference too.
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Not a big fan of Byggmax el cheapy. But some things are quite okay. The OSB boards are the same kind as Beijer's, etc., and are a bit cheaper at Byggmax, so why not? But the insulation is probably the worst they have. Ursa insulation is pure junk, barely holds together and has uneven thickness, barely cuts... it mostly makes you angry working with it. I use Roxull instead, a bit more expensive but so much more enjoyable to work with. Now Byggmax is gradually replacing Ursa with another brand, but probably the same factory and another brand?!