Alternatives for outer corners drywall without corner protectors? How is it done in new construction?

[MathiasS]

And it is quite obvious, the economy or the knowledge is not with those who build villas. It continues on tried and tested paths, clearly filtering solutions from large-scale new production down to villas eventually, but it takes time.

Of course, I don't know what the absolute truth is here, but to my ears, it sounds more business-like to adapt the production to what is being built. If you're renovating 500 apartments, you choose methods and materials accordingly. If you're building ONE house, you choose based on different parameters. There are certainly occasions where large-scale production develops methods that are also useful in other contexts, but that everything done there would just be better because the people working there know more, I don't believe that one bit. I guess that those who are really skilled craftsmen prefer to stay away from the monotony of large-scale production and also have the opportunity to do so precisely because they are skilled.

 

[oliven1]

Of course, I don't know what the absolute truth is here, but to my ears, it sounds more businesslike to adapt production to what you're building. If you're renovating 500 apartments, you choose the method and materials accordingly. If you're building ONE house, you choose based on other parameters. There are certainly occasions where large-scale production develops methods that are useful in other contexts, but that everything done there would just be better because those working there know more, I don't believe that at all. I guess that those who are really skilled craftsmen prefer to stay away from the monotony of large-scale production and also have the opportunity to do so precisely because they are skilled.

No one has said that everything is better, but generally, new technical solutions are developed there.
There is different knowledge and economy, etc. there which makes it possible.

First and foremost, it is not "really skilled craftsmen" who generally come up with new technical solutions, etc., but engineers.
Secondly, really skilled craftsmen do not stay away from large-scale projects; rather the opposite, they do not want to work with private individuals for many reasons.
Moreover, you get to work with exciting, developing, advanced projects.

The acknowledged skilled architects, engineers, etc. in Sweden do not work with villas but with large-scale advanced projects.

 

[PHPersson]

no one has said that everything is better, but in general, new technical solutions are developed there.
there is different knowledge and economy, etcetera, which makes it possible.

first and foremost, it is not "really skilled craftsmen" who come up with new technical solutions, etcetera, in general, but engineers.
secondly, really skilled craftsmen do not stay away from large-scale projects, rather the opposite, they do not want to work with private individuals for many reasons.
moreover, you get to work with exciting, developing, advanced projects.

the recognized skilled architects, engineers, etcetera, in Sweden do not work with villas but large-scale advanced projects.

curious question: do you have an example of a technical solution that doesn't exist in villas, which is better?

 

[Farstatjej90]

absolutely not and there are certainly some new productions that still use metal, but they are definitely in the minority. as I said, I haven't encountered it for ages.

what's common now is that in exposed environments, you use surface-mounted metal angles or wall protection like acrovyn, which has quickly become very popular

According to AMA22, paper corners may only be used for inner corners. Just so you know.👍

 

[oliven1]

though that's not true, you are indeed allowed to use papphörn.
I think you're thinking of the wrong material.

 

[oliven1]

take anything basically and it's much more advanced.
facades, control systems, fire, safety, construction (e.g., prestressing, strength, Acoustics (an area that has developed enormously recently)

curious question: do you have an example of a technical solution that doesn't exist in villas, that is better?

 

[PHPersson]

Take anything, basically, and it is much more advanced. Facades, control systems, fire, safety, construction (e.g., tension reinforcement, durability, Acoustics (an area that has developed enormously recently)

Yes, but I was thinking more of a concrete example of a technical solution that is better? I understand that one doesn't often install sprinklers in the living room, but that's more for aesthetic/cost reasons.

 

[oliven1]

take anything in a regular villa and much more advanced technology is used in large-scale new production:

For example:

Plejd = KNX

Solar cells = Integrated panels in the facade

Low-energy windows = Dynamic self-cleaning glass.

Facade = Double facade

FTX = Heat generation from wastewater

Smoke detector = gas-based extinguishing system

then you can take any building part and it is much more advanced.
take a concrete slab, facade, or roof.
The technical solutions are light-years ahead.

Yes, but I was thinking more of a concrete example of a technical solution that is better? I understand that sprinklers are not often installed in the living room, but that's more for aesthetic/cost reasons.

 

[Plupp 618974]

Can you elaborate regarding the roof, oliven1?

 

[trojlee]

take anything in a regular house, and more advanced technology is used multiple times in large-scale new production:

For example:

Plejd = KNX

Solar panels = Integrated facade panels

low energy windows = Dynamic self-cleaning glass

facade = Double facade

FTX = Heat generation from wastewater

Smoke alarms = gas extinguishing systems

then you can take any building component, and it is much more advanced.
take a concrete slab, facade, or roof.
The technical solutions are light-years ahead.

I don't know if I agree with you on all parts. Then, that dali control or similar is a solution that enables balancing of lighting or frequency control or ventilation sectioning is a solution required due to the technical solutions needed when increasing volume. Not everything is better or more advanced. It depends on the conditions and needs...

 

[plåtrickard]

take anything in a regular house, much more advanced technology is used in large-scale new production:

For example:

Plejd = KNX

Solar panels = Integrated panels in the facade

low-energy windows = Dynamic self-cleaning glass

facade = Double facade

FTX = Heat generation from wastewater

Smoke detector = gas extinguishing system

then you can take any building part and it is much more advanced. take a concrete slab, facade or roof. The technical solutions are light-years ahead.

In office complexes possibly... but not in rental apartments...

 

[PHPersson]

Take anything in a regular house and much more advanced technology is used in large-scale new production:

For example:

Plejd = KNX

Solar cells = Integrated panels in the facade

Low-energy windows = Dynamic self-cleaning glass.

Facade = Double facade

FTX = Generation of heat from wastewater

Smoke detectors = Extinguishing system with gas

Then you can take any building component and it's much more advanced.
Take a concrete slab, facade, or roof.
The technical solutions are light years ahead.

I can at least say that I don't agree about KNX. There is no cutting-edge technology there at all. Common control where basically all technology was already available in the 80s.

I don't really see anything else either that isn't available in houses if you want it, it's just a matter of money, and none of the technology you mention as examples are exactly new. I only see old solutions that have been around for 10 years+

So unfortunately, I don't agree. I like new technology, but I generally find properties, regardless, to be incredibly outdated. For example, active glass... it's portrayed as something modern when it was available at least in the 70s.

Edit:
It's not a critique against you at all; I'm just stating that most things are outdated in properties. For example, when recovering heat from wastewater comes as state of the art in 2024, you understand how bad it is.

 

[z_bumbi]

How many examples do we have of new technology and materials that turn out not to be good? A method needs 20-30 years to begin to evaluate how it will work over the next 150 years. Here, private actors are welcome to test it, but the public sector should use proven technology.

Large-scale operations have and also force other solutions than small-scale operations. For example, it is an advantage if the windows stay cleaner when they are on the twentieth floor, but for an ordinary villa, it is probably more advantageous to handle it through Rut or clean it yourself.

As for gips, that's what I have in the former boiler room, but since moving in I've covered most of it with ultraboard without a hint of filler, so I don't have much to contribute to the thread's main question. Or pja, you can set ultaboard at the outer corners so you also have something to screw into.

 

[PHPersson]

How many examples do we have of new technology and materials that don't prove to be good? A method needs 20-30 years to begin being evaluated on how it will work for the next 150 years. Here, private operators are welcome to test it, but the public sector should stick to proven technology. Large scale operations have and also force other solutions than small scale. For example, it's an advantage if the windows stay cleaner when they are located on the twentieth floor, but for a regular villa, it's probably more advantageous to take it through Rut or clean it yourself.

Regarding gypsum, that's what I have in the former boiler room, but since moving in, I've covered most of it with ultraboard without a hint of plaster so for the main topic of the thread I don't have much to contribute. Or well, you can put ultraboard at the outer corners to have something to screw into.

One example is heat pumps, I've dealt with a few, IVT geothermal, Nibe geothermal, CTC air/water. All of them have such bad software in the control systems that it's embarrassing. I really don't understand how they can make such poor products. Then the quality is terrible, especially IVT… completely finished after 10 years. Rust and so on. With today's prices, I wonder if it isn't cheaper/easier to use direct electric heating. Depending on the house of course.