Alternatives for outer corners drywall without corner protectors? How is it done in new construction?

[Plupp 405730]

Here's how I see it. Those who build in large quantities receive a lot of fault reports. For that reason, they have more data on what is good and less good. Paper corners are an example of development for the better. In terms of assembly, strength, and cost. It's no coincidence that 99% of all external corners are made with paper. Sometimes, small-scale builders can actually learn from large-scale production and vice versa. Good technical solutions, regardless of where they come from, are worth considering. You're very welcome to use your metal corners if you prefer them.

It's not me ordering the metal corners, it's the customers who do.. Most of what is done on large constructions is cutting corners, and every penny is counted; if they can save on corner protection, they do.. A relative built a new small house with one of the largest small house builders in Sweden, and even they had metal corners, even though these are more expensive. I asked during the inspection, which the relative wanted me to attend, why they still used metal corners, simply because there were too many damages with paper corners. So I'm far from alone, I've built and assembled many different house brands over the years, and most have metal corners, whether you or the olive want it or not, I don't care. 😉

 

[oliven1]

It's not me who orders the metal corners, the customers do that...
Most things done on large constructions are shortcuts, and every penny counts. If they can save on corner guards, they do...
A relative built a new small house with one of the largest small house builders in Sweden, and even they had metal corners, even though these are more expensive. I asked at the inspection, which my relative wanted me to be at, why they were still using metal corners, for the simple reason that there was too much damage with paper corners...
So I'm far from alone, I've built and assembled many different house brands over the years, and most have metal corners whether you or oliven like it or not, I don't care😉

but you just keep showing your ignorance.

Saying that most things on large constructions are shortcuts is just pure nonsense. There are definitely shortcuts there, just like in villas.

But there is always someone who owns these buildings, and long-term property owners invest in quality because management is extremely expensive and heavily impacts the operating profit.

 

[Plupp 405730]

but you just continue to show your ignorance.

the idea that most construction projects are scams is just nonsense; there are definitely some poorly done projects there just like with single-family homes.

but there is always someone who owns these buildings too, and long-term property owners invest in quality because management is extremely costly and heavily impacts the operating net.

Right oliven, you are soooo knowledgeable with small houses😉😂😂😂

 

[Plupp 405730]

but you just continue to show your ignorance.

that most of the large constructions would be fraud is just pure nonsense, there are clearly fraudulent constructions there just like with villas.

but there is always someone who owns these buildings as well and long-term property owners invest in quality because management is extremely expensive and puts a heavy burden on the operating net.

You're naive too, ever heard of LOU...

 

[oliven1]

Naive you are with heard about LOU…

yep, but first and foremost not everything that is built is procured according to LOU. Private property owners clearly don't use it.

secondly, why would lou be negative for quality?

 

[Plupp 405730]

yep, but first and foremost, not everything that is built is procured as LOU. Private property owners clearly don't use it.

secondly, why would LOU be negative for quality?

You're right about that, but they accept multiple bids so the cheapest often ends up with the contract and therefore there's cheating whether you admit it or not, it doesn't matter to me, but you're naive if you think the big developers only build quality..

 

[oliven1]

You are right about that, but they accept several bids, and usually the cheapest one ends up with the contract, and that's why cheating happens whether you admit it or not, it doesn't matter to me, but you're naive if you think the big players only build quality..

but you have no idea what you're talking about and have apparently never worked with lou.
LOU is not about the cheapest bid winning the contract, far from it.

almost no procurements with lou are structured that way.

 

[Plupp 405730]

but you have no idea what you are talking about and have obviously never worked with lou.
LOU is not about the cheapest winning the contract, far from it.

almost no procurements with lou are designed that way.

Yes, if you meet the requirements, it is the cheapest that wins.

 

[oliven1]

Yes, if you meet the requirements, the cheapest one wins.

no, you clearly have no idea.
that's not how any procurement guidelines are generally designed.

it's the economically most advantageous tender that wins, not the cheapest.
It often includes parameters such as quality, references, environment, people, experience, time, financial strength, technical solutions, innovation, lifecycle costs, social issues, and of course, price.

But price is often a small part and can often be just a few percent of the entire assessment.

 

[Plupp 405730]

nah, you obviously have no idea.
that's not how any LOIs are typically structured.

it's the most economically advantageous tender that wins, not the cheapest.
you often include parameters such as quality, references, environment, people, experience, time, financial strength, technical solutions, innovation, life cycle costs, social issues, and of course, price.

but price is often a small part and can sometimes be just a few percent of the entire evaluation.

Planet Earth is calling but no answer, oliven lives in an alternative world😂

 

[oliven1]

Planet Earth is calling but no answer, the olive lives in an alternative world😂

so you mean that LOU is just the cheapest gets the contract?

 

[Plupp 405730]

so you mean that LOU is just the cheapest gets the contract?

I have already answered you about that but you are drifting off into the blue as usual😉

 

[Installation]

I already responded to you about that, but as usual, you go off into the clouds😉

Many larger LOU projects in the construction sector are often contracted on ABT in collaboration with a cost-plus compensation model. They can look quite different with, for example, the fee as a fixed part or some other incentive. Organization, fee model are usually common parameters.
It's also common for one to come in earlier and as a contractor do program and system documents on ABK to get a calculable document. After that, an ABT agreement is written based on budget, cap, or cost-plus to develop the construction documents.
Involving the client and the businesses that will move into the building early on provides good opportunities to keep the total cost down.
What's usually costly is the land and foundation work as well as more or less expensive facade solutions. If the program document is carelessly designed, the floor height can also become cost-driving.

It doesn't look the same in the small house industry, but the foundation is still the biggest risk factor along with poorly planned and executed bathrooms and kitchens. I can imagine it's a bigger issue that in prefabricated houses, there are B2B agreements on AB or ABT between supplier and contractor and an ABS/Consumer Services Act between supplier and customer. I would argue the only winner in these agreements is the contractor. That's how the agreements I've seen have been structured, and it's quite messy.
I've seen some small houses that make you wonder if they've planned the foundations and associated installation work properly at all.

 

[oliven1]

Many larger LOU projects in the construction sector are often procured on ABT in collaboration with a cost-plus model as a compensation model. Then they can look quite different with, for example, the fee as a fixed part or some other incentive. Organization, fee model tend to be common parameters. It also happens that you come in earlier and as a contractor do program and system documents on ABK to get a calculable document. After that, an ABT contract is written on budget, ceiling, or cost-plus to develop the construction document. If you involve the customer and the businesses that will be in the building early, there are good conditions to keep the total cost down. What usually drives up the price is ground and foundation work as well as more or less expensive facade solutions. If the program document is carelessly designed, the floor heights can also become cost-driving.

It doesn't look the same in the small house industry, but the foundation is probably also the largest risk item there along with poorly planned and executed wet rooms and kitchens. I can imagine it's a bigger problem that in prefab houses, there are B2B contracts on AB or ABT between the supplier and contractor and an ABS/Consumer Services Act between the supplier and customer. The only winner in these agreements is the contractor, I claim. That's how the contracts I've seen have been structured, and it's quite messy. I've seen some small houses that make one wonder if they planned the foundation and associated installation work properly at all.

But what one should keep in mind is that villas are light-years behind large-scale new production in terms of technical solutions, material choices, functions, etcetera. And it's quite obvious; the economy or knowledge is not there for those who build villas. It continues on tried and tested paths, and then, of course, solutions from large-scale new production trickle down to villas eventually, but it takes time.

 

[Plupp 405730]

Yes, but what you should keep in mind is that villas are light-years behind large-scale new production in terms of technical solutions, choice of materials, functions, etcetera.
And it's quite obvious, the economy or knowledge is not present with those who build villas.
It continues on proven, well-worn paths and of course solutions from large-scale new production eventually trickle down to villas, but it takes time.