Warning for Biltema's decking screw

[optimum]

A wise person takes good advice received on this forum.
Biltema's screws have been previously mentioned for not maintaining the right quality, and therefore one is cautious about such things, etc.

Here on this forum, I have also received the good advice to use stainless screws as they better withstand movements in the decking without breaking.

And therefore, I obviously follow this good advice.

 

[Dan_Johansson]

Yes, you have misunderstood. Most people trust that well-known brands are honest with the customer. Most people don't have much knowledge in metallurgy. If a respected brand says that their C4 deck screw is the one they recommend for outdoor decking, people trust that. This is the idea behind brands, that you know what they stand for and that you can trust what they say. Or not, if it's a junk brand.

In the end, a brand's purpose is to create maximum return for a company's owners. What you think about the brand when you're looking at it on the shelf has nothing to do with quality.

 

[NiklasN123]

Once bought a cheap screw + plug kit. Ended up with several breaking when screwed into the wall => new hole needed to be drilled as the remaining screw couldn't be removed!! Sometimes the slot in the screw head got rounded, even if the torque was low. Soft cheap scrap metal.

After that, I always buy reliable brands.

 

[NiklasN123]

Doesn't matter... If it says the screw should withstand certain things, you as a consumer must rely on that information. It's like buying a car. If I buy a Ford instead of a BMW, should I expect the Ford to break down faster just because it's not classified as a "Premium car"? It doesn't matter if you're buying screws or roof tiles, etc. You can always get a bad batch, which most likely happened here. I don't know how many hundreds of millions of screws they produce, but they can't all be bad.

It's well known that some sellers exaggerate the quality and features of their products to sell more. And manufacturers try to minimize material and production costs as much as possible. Unfortunately, you can't just trust a text or what a seller says.

Another problem with Biltema and similar places is that they often switch manufacturers but still sell the product under the same item number (even though it is now completely different). I can imagine they do this at the batch level as well.

It's better to opt for a well-known brand when it comes to critical components.

 

[Värmlandshusägare]

No building material made in China lasts. The only fate of the Chinese is to pirate durable products but manufacture them from scrap materials. That's how it is with everything. I've had the same problem with Biltema decking screws, with complaints, and only buy quality screws, known brands that stand for what they sell and not mass production at low prices. General warning for Biltema tools, an acquaintance had a chisel from Biltema that broke during work... Another Chinese product, in other words.

 

[useless]

95% of all tools and machines are probably manufactured in China? What brands do you buy that aren't?

 

[tergo]

Bahco products are manufactured today in 12 facilities worldwide, including in Sweden, Spain, Portugal, the United Kingdom, Belarus, France, Taiwan, and Argentina. also china
https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahco

when it comes to china manufactured things, it is the buyer who determines the quality

 

[Björn19]

Built a fence around the plot and house with the same screw never any problems!

 

[optimum]

e.g.
Bahco products are manufactured today in 12 facilities worldwide, including in Sweden, Spain, Portugal, the UK, Belarus, France, Taiwan, and Argentina. also China
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when it comes to China-manufactured items, it's the buyer that determines the quality

And once the buyer has received and approved their samples, the China supplier moves the production to any manufacturer in China. Often with lower quality but cheaper.

Producing with high quality is certainly possible in China, but it often doesn't become cheaper than producing things the right way in Europe.
Possibly if there is a lot of manual handling that cannot be automated, then Chinese production becomes cheaper if it is to have comparable quality.

All that glitters is not gold in China.

 

[Stefan1972]

However, when it comes to Biltema, they have never really tried to imply that their products are and should be comparable to premium products? When it comes to screws, much is about production rate and then continuous inspections. The less you inspect per manufactured batch, the cheaper it gets. Premium brands probably conduct continuous tests to maintain consistent quality.

 

[Spikin]

Nja, dessa råd antyder att Biltemas skruvar visst är bra, men så är det nog inte. Dessutom undrar jag vem som orkar förborra för alla skruvar vid läggning av trädäck? Inte jag, utom möjligen i undantagsfall.

Har byggt många altandäck , aldrig problem med avdragna skruvar. Använder endast syrafast enkel terrasskruv , inga dyra special för sprickfri montering. Dessa specialskruvar kräver stor kraft för inskruvning och ger en helt stum montering samt kräver ännu

större kraft vid utskruvning med stor risk för brott och de är mkt dyrare. Förborrning ger sprickfri montering.
En person borrar och en person drar i skruvar som går i snabbt med lätt dragkraft .Tar endast något längre
tid men jobbet blir perfekt utfört. Om du inte förborrar och drar av en skruv blir tidsåtgången mkt högre eller du får ett
extra hål att titta på. Jag använder endast sorterat virke vilket spar mkt tid och det blir inga reklamationer , skräpvirke
blir mkt dyrare . Jag har inte använt Biltemas specialskruv för sprickfri montering men kan tänka mig att de fordrar mkt
stor kraft för indragning som inte legeringen håller för utan skada fås på skruvens midja. Skruven hållfasthet är primärt
att hålla brädan på plats , inte att hålla för hårdhänt indragning med slagmaskin. Förborra och få ett fint terrassgolv som​

förnöjer

i många år .​

.

 

[Värmlandshusägare]

95% of all tools and machines are manufactured in China, aren't they? Which brands do you buy that are not?

You just have to do research before buying, which I always do nowadays.

If it says PRC on a package, it's goodnight for me. Companies that manufacture things there think they can get quality, but you don't get that from the Chinese, as I've said. Even if they promise faithfully not to make changes, they still do. There are plenty of companies that manufacture in Europe and even more so in the USA, where you can be sued for the smallest mistake if there's something wrong with a product, so not many dare to make mistakes there. But Biltema = Chinese crap for most things, or maybe we should call it chinapuff....

 

[optimum]

The problem, rather, is that the person buying screws tries to find the cheapest screws possible, and then quality suffers.
There is really good quality manufactured in China too, but a lot of crap.

Unbelievable to put so much work into making terraces etc. and use substandard quality.

 

[Dan_Johansson]

It's just a matter of doing research before buying, which I always do nowadays.

If it says PRC on any package, it's goodnight for me, companies that manufacture things there think they can do it and think they'll get quality, but you don't get that from Chinese as I've said. Even if they solemnly promise not to make changes, they do. There are plenty of companies that manufacture in Europe and even more so in the USA because there you can get sued for the slightest mistake if something is wrong with a product, so not many dare to make mistakes there. But Biltema= Chinese junk for most things, or maybe you should call it chinapuff....

Impressive. By the way, how do you write here on the forum?

 

[Värmlandshusägare]

Impressive. By the way, how do you write here on the forum?

Dan_johansson and what do you mean by that?