The recess fell down – poorly constructed?

[AG A]

Oh, what commitment... Thank you all for taking the time.

The house company has actually offered to lift up the board, but I thought it sounded like unnecessary work, so if we don't get new trim, maybe we'll nail it ourselves.

The aesthetic is indeed one aspect, I didn't think our solution could be "more stylish," if that's the case...

We'll see what we do.

Yes, it's one of the bigger decisions we humans make in our lifetime. Let the construction company fix it, or nail it yourself? It's important not to make any hasty decisions in such a crucial matter, so take plenty of time. Likewise, once you’ve decided on this matter, the important questions about how it should be done arise. So that the job is planned properly. In that matter, it might be best to get help from a contractor. Even a consultant who can plan the work order is preferable. Also, don't forget to take out a special accident insurance before any potential nailing begins.

Please update us on how it went.

(Sorry for joking with you. I just mean that you are making a bit too much of the whole thing. Boards and other parts that come loose are something to expect as a homeowner. Then it's just a matter of getting the hammer and trying.)

 

[Anonymiserad 405730]

Hi
I would probably interpret "top rail mounted first" as some sort of standard, when I look at home. I have three doors, where two have the top piece mounted first, but one has the top piece mounted last (the front door and the associated glass section). No idea why it was done differently when the houses (BRF with small houses) were built at the same time and by the same company. All windows also have the top piece mounted first. Nevertheless, all parts are nailed so they won't fall down!

The "lösvirkesskolan" and the old way is that the top rail rests on the sides..
But nowadays, most things are either laminated MDF or lacquered MDF in these production houses and apartments, and therefore they place the top piece in between to avoid painting the sides, the little that would otherwise be unpainted 😢
But soon we will have no real craftsmen left working with solid wood in houses if everything is going to be cheap crap 😊😀

 

[Dappelito]

Hi!
We have lived in our house for about nine years. So it's clear that not everything is completely "new" anymore. But one day when I walked through the front door, the wooden door trim simply fell down on me. Luckily, I still had my bike helmet on my head. However, the board hit my hand and left a bruise there.

The trim was glued, I don't know how long you can expect the glue to last, but it's quite scary that it can come loose so the board falls down...

Then we started looking at the actual construction and saw that the horizontal trim board is clamped between the vertical boards. If it had instead been on top of the vertical ones, it would have been held in place and couldn't have fallen down. Wouldn't that have been a better construction? Does anyone know if there is a building standard for this kind of thing? The trim boards came pre-cut from the house company, so it wasn't the carpenters who made a mistake.

I'm discussing this with the house company and they've sent a construction drawing that shows they did it correctly, but I want to argue that if that's the case, the drawing is wrong.

Does anyone know if there is any building standard for this? For me, not being in the industry and working at a desk, it's still perfectly clear that you should mount the boards so they don't risk falling on someone's head when entering through the front door. That is, the horizontal one on top of the vertical ones.

Sure, we could screw the board ourselves so it's properly secured... but now it's become a bit of a principle matter for me... so what do you say, what's the best way to mount a trim?

The reason it's mounted between the "standers" is so that the end grain on the short piece isn't visible, that's how it's usually done with trimless salning.

 

[Sernando]

The traditional way and the old method is that the top rail lies on the sides..
But nowadays, most of it is either laminated MDF or lacquered MDF in these production houses and apartments, which is why they place the headpiece in between to avoid painting the sides, leaving a small part unpainted otherwise. 😢
But soon we won't have any real craftsmen left who work with pure wood in the houses if everything is going to be cheap crap. 😊😀

But my goodness, man! Let it go, in a thread that has nothing to do with it. How much are you going to debate your preferences about trim and reveals? 🙄

 

[AG A]

The traditional "lösvirkesskolan" way is that the top piece lies on the sides..
But nowadays, most things are either laminated MDF or lacquered MDF in these production houses and apartments, so they place the top piece in between to avoid painting the sides, which would otherwise remain unpainted. 😢
But soon we won't have any real craftsmen left working with pure wood in houses if everything is going to be cheap crap. 😊😀

Now I don't want to argue with you. But honestly, "lösvirkesskolan"... the old way? Is there any reference from those that you can point to?
I just think it's strange. I've worked as a carpenter for 15 years. I've torn down, renovated, and replaced doors and windows in apartments, "shacks and palaces" from all eras. Despite that, I've found it just as common for the upper recess to be between as on top of the side recesses. It's even been different within the same house.
Honestly, I can't say how I usually do it myself. It's probably different each time. Also, how the recess is fastened in the current situation.

 

[Anonymiserad 405730]

But oh my god dude! Drop this, in a thread that has nothing to do with it. How much are you going to argue about your preferences for fodder and sneaking? 🙄

Can't I reply when someone writes to me?😢

 

[Dan1891]

Oh my god man! Drop this, in a thread that has nothing to do with it. How much are you going to debate your preferences about trim and architrave? 🙄

I find this interesting, different inputs with pros and cons for the different ways to build. How it was done before, how it's done now with laminated, etc. I do advocate that the top of the architrave should be inside the standing parts, but I guess that doesn't interest you?

 

[Anonymiserad 405730]

Now I don't want to argue with you. But honestly, the stick-built school... the old way? Is there any passage from these you can refer to?
I just find it strange. I've been working as a carpenter for 15 years. I've demolished, renovated and replaced doors and windows in apartments, "huts and castles" from all eras. Despite that, I've found it just as common with the upper casing between, as on top of the side casings. It has even occurred to be different within the same house.
Honestly, I can't actually say how I usually do it myself. It's probably different from time to time. And how the attachment of the casings is done in the current case.

Yes, it can very well be different in different parts of the country..
I've built over 50 different stick-built houses with pure wood casings where the requirements have been the highest if the customer doesn't wish to paint the casings..
But you can do exactly as you please 😊😀

 

[Sernando]

Am I not allowed to respond when someone writes to me?😢

For this thread, it is completely irrelevant, so yes. Start your own lurking and feeding thread, instead of cluttering this one with irrelevant posts.

 

[Anonymiserad 405730]

For this thread, it is completely irrelevant, so yes. Start your own sneak and feeding thread, instead of fertilizing this one with irrelevant posts.

You can mute me, so you don't have to😉

 

[Sernando]

I find this interesting, different inputs with pros and cons of the different ways to build.
How it was done before, how it's done now with laminated etc.
I do advocate, though, that the upper part of the reveal should be inside the standing ones, but I guess that's not of interest to you?

Interesting for the board that came loose? No, it's simply not necessary to discuss things that don't help the thread at all.

 

[Dan1891]

Interesting to take and the loose board? No, it is simply not necessary to discuss things that do not help the thread at all

I think it's interesting with different input, and you can open your eyes to things you haven't thought about. I like that anyway. That you don't think so is also completely OK!

 

[Vgt]

If it is prevailing lining, the end of the wood will be visible if you mount the handrail on top of the side linings.

My first thought when I saw the picture. Would look too awful. Should have just glued better, and quite easy to fix...