The claim that all timber south of Dalälven is poor quality is wrong. Southern Sweden's spruce timber is excellent construction wood, but may have limitations like finely sawn wide cladding boards due to poor knots. The board in Mikael L's picture is a split timber, meaning a plank has been split into two studs, releasing tensions that are in the plank. If you need studs in floor height, log-sawn studs are a good alternative, as they are originally sawn, meaning only two studs have been taken from a small log, similar to filleting. If the customer has knowledge, they can make demands on the supplier, who in turn buys the right goods; the lumberyard has no interest in lots of stock that cannot be used./MLj
I have returned a number of lpm now anyway.
There were no problems, no hard feelings or anything.
I've framed interior walls with some slightly irregular timber, as long as it was straight. But crooked and twisted ones they got back. So I'm not an idiot who demands that all the timber should be of furniture quality or anything.
Just as a bit of feedback.
There were no problems, no hard feelings or anything.
I've framed interior walls with some slightly irregular timber, as long as it was straight. But crooked and twisted ones they got back. So I'm not an idiot who demands that all the timber should be of furniture quality or anything.
Just as a bit of feedback.
In untrimmed bundles, usually about 2-5% of the timber is considered substandard. When such a bundle is placed in a hall where someone crashes the entire bundle, leaving behind a pick-up-sticks mess to extract ten perfectly straight rules (which, by the way, often twist after a day or two of incorrect storage), likely half is substandard. That's the dilemma for lumberyards.
Suppliers with large turnovers usually deliver from untrimmed bundles. The bundle that the recreational users tear into is left in the consumer hall. It’s not efficient to have paid staff wasting their time sorting out crooked timber for deliveries. It costs more money and also results in dissatisfied customers. That one piece out of twenty is half-decent is usually not a problem. Those who are diligent can return them, but most of the time there's a use even for short stumps, so everything usually gets used anyway.
Regards/Findus
Suppliers with large turnovers usually deliver from untrimmed bundles. The bundle that the recreational users tear into is left in the consumer hall. It’s not efficient to have paid staff wasting their time sorting out crooked timber for deliveries. It costs more money and also results in dissatisfied customers. That one piece out of twenty is half-decent is usually not a problem. Those who are diligent can return them, but most of the time there's a use even for short stumps, so everything usually gets used anyway.
Regards/Findus
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We had exactly the same problem. We received a delivery of timber that was supposed to be used to frame the roof, and almost every plank was crooked. We then filed a complaint about the shipment and emailed a picture of how it looked. They had to send new, straight planks. You can't pay for planks you can't use.
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A big problem, I think, is when DIYers insist on having lumber that has to be absolutely straight, even though it's not necessary in most cases. A carpenter doesn't care if it's not completely straight when framing a wall, as the cross pieces will align those that go from floor to ceiling. A DIYer insists on it being completely straight and takes the time to dig through the pile to find them, leaving everything like pick-up sticks.
I often take those that are a bit crooked and get a good price on them. They usually get so happy when you say it's okay if they're a bit crooked, but then you have to give me a good price on them. Often they tend to calculate a little "wrong" because it's apparently easier than entering a discount.
I find that the drying of the lumber is a bit hit or miss and could be a reason why there's so much crooked lumber.
I often take those that are a bit crooked and get a good price on them. They usually get so happy when you say it's okay if they're a bit crooked, but then you have to give me a good price on them. Often they tend to calculate a little "wrong" because it's apparently easier than entering a discount.
I find that the drying of the lumber is a bit hit or miss and could be a reason why there's so much crooked lumber.
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Excuse me???vafan said:
First of all, it's a beam, and it was straight from the start...
It becomes crooked due to factors like people rummaging through the timber piles at hardware stores without placing the wood back neatly, which makes it crooked in no time!! q(;^
pAs someone has already mentioned here, it doesn't matter if a piece you get is crooked because it often ends up being used for small pieces and blocking...
Wood IS a living material, whether it's still alive or cut into lengths...
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That's not true. For us, it was the carpenter who refused to use the crooked planks.Göran.W said:
Why can't the sawmill sort the lumber they sell into straight and crooked/knotted and sell it at different prices?
The big sawmills probably just want to cut and sell as much as possible... Send off large boat loads to the Arab countries... If you want quality lumber, you have to buy from the local sawmill/planing mill. He goes up to Härjedalen himself and points out the lumber he wants... Straight as an arrow and tightly packed with growth rings, even a few öre cheaper than Byggmax.Marlene Eskilsson said:
Yes, to some extent it depends on the fact that the timber bends and twists only after packaging, i.e. it dries a bit more after being sawn and packaged. Then often the timber is very straight when you first open a timber bundle, but once the bands are cut, the timber is no longer forced to be straight and the pieces that want to twist start to do so. So it's important for the lumberyard to quickly sell off their opened bundles and for builders to quickly finish building with the timber, because once it's built in, there are usually many fastenings here and there that keep the studs in place.Marlene Eskilsson said:
But who cares in 100 years.
Different twists in the timber are due to various factors. A crooked piece like the one in the first picture is probably sawn with a crooked saw or divided in the planer, resulting in two pieces from a thick one. If this has happened with the upper one, it is improperly dried. The piece has had too high a moisture content gradient. A twisted piece depends on how old the tree was when it was harvested; young tree left-handed fiber structure, old tree right-handed fiber structure, so a tree should be the right age when harvested to avoid many of these problems. Some of the twists can be removed in drying, but if the piece is redried in a lumberyard in an open bundle, it twists like hell, and this often happens.
Sawmills sort timber into different quality classes and they cost differently. There is no crooked timber when bundled at the sawmill. If we as consumers clearly specify the quality requirement and were also willing to pay for higher sawing/splitting costs, it would be produced more extensively.Marlene Eskilsson said:
I have been able to buy directly from a local sawmill where I know the owner.
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Excuse me, but I probably need to step in here to point out that it is more about which logs you are sawing. If they are straight from the beginning when they grow in the forest, there's no problem. But not all trees in the forest can be turned into planks or boards. Some trees grow where they have to compensate for, for example, sloping ground or wind. If they have once become crooked for some reason, they strive to grow straight. Then they become crooked where they grow. And when they are sawn, it becomes crooked after the log has been sawn up. Not all trees in the forest can be straight.
