Completely unnecessary to complain about the inspection now that it's been over two years, but it's clear to see on the paint by the trim that there was a gap under the wall upstairs at the time of the inspection. With hindsight, I can only wish that this had been noticed during our inspection.
....Or that I, the fool, had realized what was happening a bit earlier >
.....oh well, it's easy to be wise after the event.
....Or that I, the fool, had realized what was happening a bit earlier >
.....oh well, it's easy to be wise after the event.
You can see it as having gained more experience and console yourself with the thought that it could have been worse! :-/
No accident has happened, and fixing the mistake doesn't seem to be too complicated or expensive in this case. A hidden moisture or mold damage due to the previous owner's faulty renovation would probably have been worse to encounter.....
/Ingenjören
No accident has happened, and fixing the mistake doesn't seem to be too complicated or expensive in this case. A hidden moisture or mold damage due to the previous owner's faulty renovation would probably have been worse to encounter.....
/Ingenjören
It might be reasonable for the construction work itself. But as you mentioned, painting and possibly other surface work will be added.
BUT, remember that this is a change to load-bearing structures!
You need to file a building notification, probably hire a quality manager. And you need to hire someone to calculate if the planned beam is sufficient. That might be trivial, but don't forget that it needs to be supported by something, and it may be difficult to assess the quality of the support points before starting demolition.
A building notification will likely cost a couple of thousand, the same for a KA and engineering calculation.
The plan now is that I have spoken with an engineer who will come and calculate, and I will try to track down a company to do the actual work as soon as possible so they can provide a cost estimate. I have, as mentioned, spoken with the building committee, so the building notification is on the "to-do list." Something new for me was the quality responsible. Can someone explain? When is it needed, what kind of person etc.?
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Quality responsible, KA, is a person who is responsible for ensuring that the requirements in various laws are implemented on your construction site. This is stated in the Planning and Building Act (PBL): Chapter 9, Section 13: For such building measures as specified in Chapter 8, Section 2, first paragraph:"At least three weeks before the works begin, the builder must make a notification to the building committee (building notification), if the works concern:
3. "such changes to a building that affect the structure of the load-bearing parts or that significantly affect its layout,
and that require a building notification, and for such demolitions that must follow a demolition plan a quality responsible must be appointed by the builder.
It can be an independent KA, the contractor doing the job, or the designer doing the calculations.
But check with the building committee what they require of you... this is a small measure!
Here you can read the entire PBL:
http://www.notisum.se/rnp/sls/lag/19870010.HTM
If you have nothing else to do
3. "such changes to a building that affect the structure of the load-bearing parts or that significantly affect its layout,
and that require a building notification, and for such demolitions that must follow a demolition plan a quality responsible must be appointed by the builder.
It can be an independent KA, the contractor doing the job, or the designer doing the calculations.
But check with the building committee what they require of you... this is a small measure!
Here you can read the entire PBL:
http://www.notisum.se/rnp/sls/lag/19870010.HTM
If you have nothing else to do
I promised to keep you updated....
Nothing decisive has happened yet. Haven't heard anything from the realtor or the previous owners.
I've been tipped off about a construction company that's supposed to be good, so a guy is coming to check out the mess later today. One thing I've realized that could complicate things is that we have stretched fabric on the ceilings, so we don't want to brace it anywhere other than in the "box" in the ceiling. It might be a problem to fit the braces and the new beam, but I'll discuss this with the guy coming today.
I've also thought about trying to turn this into something a bit positive by taking the opportunity to run VP pipes in the box and up through the ceiling to the wall above on the upper floor. It was on the upper floor that I was actually working, and this way I could get TV and network in the wall between the rooms, which would have been much harder if I hadn't made this intervention. Not entirely sure it can be solved yet, but it would definitely be a plus.
Nothing decisive has happened yet. Haven't heard anything from the realtor or the previous owners.
I've been tipped off about a construction company that's supposed to be good, so a guy is coming to check out the mess later today. One thing I've realized that could complicate things is that we have stretched fabric on the ceilings, so we don't want to brace it anywhere other than in the "box" in the ceiling. It might be a problem to fit the braces and the new beam, but I'll discuss this with the guy coming today.
I've also thought about trying to turn this into something a bit positive by taking the opportunity to run VP pipes in the box and up through the ceiling to the wall above on the upper floor. It was on the upper floor that I was actually working, and this way I could get TV and network in the wall between the rooms, which would have been much harder if I hadn't made this intervention. Not entirely sure it can be solved yet, but it would definitely be a plus.
Now, finally, more has happened in this matter....
The broker has contacted the previous owners and pointed out the issue. He told them that he would wait for the quote, which I am waiting for from the builder, and get back to them. However, he told me again that if they oppose it, it might be difficult to get justice since it is so cheap to repair. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
About the difference in the house's value if the issue had been known and what we actually paid for the house, how does that work? Who can/should make such an assessment if so?
The broker also repeatedly claims that he believes it is the inspector's fault and that it should be possible to have it tested even though it has been over two years. LyckeK, is there any chance of this?
The broker has contacted the previous owners and pointed out the issue. He told them that he would wait for the quote, which I am waiting for from the builder, and get back to them. However, he told me again that if they oppose it, it might be difficult to get justice since it is so cheap to repair. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
About the difference in the house's value if the issue had been known and what we actually paid for the house, how does that work? Who can/should make such an assessment if so?
The broker also repeatedly claims that he believes it is the inspector's fault and that it should be possible to have it tested even though it has been over two years. LyckeK, is there any chance of this?
If anyone is interested, I'll provide some updates on the development of this case.
The major development is that I've done some demolition in the kitchen where another wall has been removed and confirmed that it should be load-bearing and the work is as poorly done there as in the living room. Notably, it creaks significantly when you walk on the floor directly above.
We now understand how it was done in the kitchen, and it's reasonable to assume the same method was used in the living room. The surface layer was cleared so the standing studs were exposed. Then, two 7-inch beams were used, with one nailed on each side. One was secured with an angle bracket, and the other has a new standing stud for support. Once the beams were nailed in place, the opening inside was simply sawed out. Fast, simple, and completely wrong!!!! >
When I place my long spirit level, which is 1800 mm, along the beam, it flexes like a banana with about 7 mm in the middle.
Measuring a bit on the box in the ceiling of the living room suggests the same dimensions might have been used there as well, but the span is much larger.
The remaining issues are solely legal, so I think I'll post a new thread about that. I'll place a link here once I've done it for anyone interested.
The major development is that I've done some demolition in the kitchen where another wall has been removed and confirmed that it should be load-bearing and the work is as poorly done there as in the living room. Notably, it creaks significantly when you walk on the floor directly above.
We now understand how it was done in the kitchen, and it's reasonable to assume the same method was used in the living room. The surface layer was cleared so the standing studs were exposed. Then, two 7-inch beams were used, with one nailed on each side. One was secured with an angle bracket, and the other has a new standing stud for support. Once the beams were nailed in place, the opening inside was simply sawed out. Fast, simple, and completely wrong!!!! >
When I place my long spirit level, which is 1800 mm, along the beam, it flexes like a banana with about 7 mm in the middle.
Measuring a bit on the box in the ceiling of the living room suggests the same dimensions might have been used there as well, but the span is much larger.
The remaining issues are solely legal, so I think I'll post a new thread about that. I'll place a link here once I've done it for anyone interested.
http://www.byggahus.se/forum/showthread.php?t=thread_deleted8/0
Here I posted my legal dilemmas.....
Thanks to everyone on the forum who helped me with this :
Here I posted my legal dilemmas.....
Thanks to everyone on the forum who helped me with this :
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NO... unfortunately the time limit is clear, the insurance company handling the case since the inspector is insured, will reject the case!Asterix said:
Trying to follow the continuation of this but the link doesn't work for me...
Asterix said:[link]
Here I posted my legal conundrums.....
Thanks to everyone on the forum who helped me with this :
Working link: http://www.byggahus.se/forum/juridik/27567-ersaettning-vid-dolt-fel.htmlosueco said: