I'm satisfied with our current building trade but would like to see if we can get a much better price by purchasing larger quantities directly from the source. Does anyone know of a sawmill/planing mill that sells directly to companies and transports larger quantities of timber, (for several house constructions), to the Stockholm area at good prices?
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David
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David
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They can probably sell directly to you, but with the discounts that distributors and retailers get, it will probably be the same price anyway. If the sawmill sells at distributor price and this was found out, they probably wouldn't be welcome on the market anymore. That's how it usually works....David said:
They can probably sell directly to you, but with the discounts that distributors and retailers get, it’s likely the same price anyway. If the sawmill sold at distributor price and this was found out, they probably wouldn’t be welcome in the market anymore. That’s how it works...usually.Johan Gunverth said:
[/quote]Even if you have your own firm?
But it’s not so surprising when you think about it. That's how it is in many other industries.
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David
I, or rather my company, am quite a large customer at a planing mill that supplies builders' merchants with a certain range but specializes in component manufacturing for the house-building industry. The advantage I can leverage from this is that I don't need to buy entire packages to get a reasonable price, which in itself doesn't differ significantly from Bygg Max's pricing.
However, if you need something that Bygg Max doesn't have and compare it to traditional builders' merchants, the difference becomes evident.
The condition the planing mill has is that if they sell directly to customers, they can't sell to builders' merchants, and when the business is not adapted to consumer sales, any such sales create more problems than benefits. This is probably the main reason why it's not so easy to access the lower prices this way. It turns out that it's quite difficult to engage in a little "side selling" without the regular clientele finding out, especially in the construction business, and then one might have risked a large turnover just to do someone a small favor.
However, if you need something that Bygg Max doesn't have and compare it to traditional builders' merchants, the difference becomes evident.
The condition the planing mill has is that if they sell directly to customers, they can't sell to builders' merchants, and when the business is not adapted to consumer sales, any such sales create more problems than benefits. This is probably the main reason why it's not so easy to access the lower prices this way. It turns out that it's quite difficult to engage in a little "side selling" without the regular clientele finding out, especially in the construction business, and then one might have risked a large turnover just to do someone a small favor.
I bought some timber directly from Brattby Sågverk and the prices were ~25% cheaper than Byggmax and half the price compared to Beijer. It was just a matter of calling and ordering, and then coming with the trailer the next day, and they loaded it with the forklift.
Were you interested in lumber for several houses?
In that case, you might have to buy from any planing mill.
Visit www.sjv.se, follow the link under the heading "I Fokus," click on "Träemballage."
In the menu bar on the left, click on "godkända torkanläggningar," and you'll get quite a comprehensive list of sawmills. Then you just start calling around and checking.
Keep in mind that a saw-mill quality spruce (for paneling and such) costs about 1500/m3 + VAT.
Quality for construction beams is about 1200/m3 + VAT.
When looking at a planed product, you should therefore start from the original cubic volume, i.e., a 44*95 beam should be taken from a 47*100. A sawmill normally sells that for 0.047*0.1*1200 = 5.64+m = 7.05. Then the cost for processing must be added to that.
In that case, you might have to buy from any planing mill.
Visit www.sjv.se, follow the link under the heading "I Fokus," click on "Träemballage."
In the menu bar on the left, click on "godkända torkanläggningar," and you'll get quite a comprehensive list of sawmills. Then you just start calling around and checking.
Keep in mind that a saw-mill quality spruce (for paneling and such) costs about 1500/m3 + VAT.
Quality for construction beams is about 1200/m3 + VAT.
When looking at a planed product, you should therefore start from the original cubic volume, i.e., a 44*95 beam should be taken from a 47*100. A sawmill normally sells that for 0.047*0.1*1200 = 5.64+m = 7.05. Then the cost for processing must be added to that.
....the processing in this case should be the actual planing of the board.
We spoke with this man at a fair (the building maintenance department at the antiques fair in Älvsjö, I believe), a friend later ordered various moldings and quite a lot of paneling from there.......nice man and very fine quality on timber and planing, maybe not the cheapest but as said quality
http://www.veckebosag.se/index.html
We spoke with this man at a fair (the building maintenance department at the antiques fair in Älvsjö, I believe), a friend later ordered various moldings and quite a lot of paneling from there.......nice man and very fine quality on timber and planing, maybe not the cheapest but as said quality
http://www.veckebosag.se/index.html
Yes, it was the planing I meant.
Sawmills that buy so-called bulk planing might manage to buy the planing for about 150:-/m3 + m.
The cheapest planed product I buy costs 1363/m3+m, and the raw material accounts for about 825:-/m3+m. My extraction of it is about 1500m3/year.
This is admittedly purchased from one of Sweden's most profitable planing mills, so the cost for planing can certainly be pushed a bit, but I have prioritized delivery reliability and service.
Sawmills that buy so-called bulk planing might manage to buy the planing for about 150:-/m3 + m.
The cheapest planed product I buy costs 1363/m3+m, and the raw material accounts for about 825:-/m3+m. My extraction of it is about 1500m3/year.
This is admittedly purchased from one of Sweden's most profitable planing mills, so the cost for planing can certainly be pushed a bit, but I have prioritized delivery reliability and service.
If the planed timber isn't better than that, there really is no reason to buy planed timber for paneling and framework. The point of planing is usually just "dimension planing."Byggaren said:
Today, there are many sawmills that have truly fantastic measurement accuracy and surface finish on their products so that dimension planing is no longer needed. In modern sawmills, standard deviations of measurements of 0.3-0.5mm are achieved, which should suffice for most. Note that this applies before drying, so the result after drying is slightly worse due to the varying shrinkage with density, etc. After working at sawmills for a few years, I don't really understand the reason why carpenters always need planed timber. I am quite convinced that few carpenters really know how good timber you can buy from the sawmill today.
You can't compare the saw surface of today's high-speed lines with the 1970s frame-sawn timber
You also can't compare the measurement accuracy of a modern sawline with the "fluttering" saws of the 1970s.Ceasar wrote:
When looking at a planed item, you must assume the original cubic volume, i.e., a 44*95 stud should be taken from a 47*100. A sawmill usually sells it for 0.047*0.1*1200 = 5.64+m = 7.05. On top of that, the cost for processing is added.
A 45x95 planed stud is taken from a 50x100 unplaned. One tip is to check alternative dimensions if you choose unplaned timber. For example, with spruce, there's also a "44" thickness, i.e., there is 44x100, 44x125, and 44x150 unplaned available, which can be interesting as stud timber instead of planed 45x1XX.
Another tip before contacting the sawmill - think about the lengths you need. The sawmill often has "length-packed timber" in lengths from about 2m up to 5.5m in 3dm intervals.
It's also not a given that you have to buy a full-size package - there might be smaller packages and odd batches that are not particularly interesting for "large consumers" which the sawmill would like to get rid of.
Sawing is best done when the timber is freshly cut. Drying is done to 8-18% depending on the intended use. The moisture content in the timber will eventually adjust to the environment regardless of what the moisture content was when it left the dryer.
It is true that unplaned timber can have some "shape problems," but usually, it is not a major issue. However, according to earlier posts in the thread, this can also occur with planed timber
Of course, a carpenter prefers planed timber; it is more pleasant to handle, but it's also very rare that the carpenter pays for the timber themselves and actually cares about the costs :-?
When I look in the timber packages at the builder's merchant, I'm not particularly impressed with the dimensional stability of the planed timber. The planing doesn't seem to deal with edge bows, warps, and twists ia I think it tends to cause bigger problems than the timber being a bit cupped.
It is true that unplaned timber can have some "shape problems," but usually, it is not a major issue. However, according to earlier posts in the thread, this can also occur with planed timber
Of course, a carpenter prefers planed timber; it is more pleasant to handle, but it's also very rare that the carpenter pays for the timber themselves and actually cares about the costs :-?
When I look in the timber packages at the builder's merchant, I'm not particularly impressed with the dimensional stability of the planed timber. The planing doesn't seem to deal with edge bows, warps, and twists ia
I think it tends to cause bigger problems than the timber being a bit cupped.