Made a small inspection round today among the lumber packages at Byggmax in search of some interesting "Package labels". Much of the wood came from Skutskär with a quality stamp that I don't understand at all. Neither did the package labels from there provide any other info than length, weight, volume, etc. Found a number of packages from Norrskog as well, these were more interesting. Besides the dimensions, there was also an "article description" which in this case was "FING/BYGGMAX"... My interpretation of this is that the sawmill most likely has a special "Byggmax sorting." The sorting is thus done based on the quality requirements that Byggmax has. The first letters "FING" could mean Fin-Gran, but more likely it means "Finn line"-"Gran" (One of Norrskog's sawmills has a sawing line called "Finn-saw" or "Finn line" because the machine comes from Finland.
Also did a quick check among the thicker studs. Didn't check the "brand" but the quality looked really good, not too many knots, rather surprisingly few
Most were also straight and nice, but sure, there were some twisty ones there too... I wouldn't hesitate to use the wood for floor joists or rafters.
Twisty ones are neither strange nor unusual. When the wood comes out of the dryer, the top layers are always twisted and warped
Regarding the pressure-treated wood at Byggmax, you have to sort quite hard if you want nice pieces. One might wonder, though, if it matters with ugly knots or waned edges on the underside of the deck : I have also tried building with non-sorted pressure-treated wood from a nice building store. There were quite a few twisty ones there too, but sure, it looked better than the piles at Byggmax.
Also did a quick check among the thicker studs. Didn't check the "brand" but the quality looked really good, not too many knots, rather surprisingly few
Most were also straight and nice, but sure, there were some twisty ones there too... I wouldn't hesitate to use the wood for floor joists or rafters.Twisty ones are neither strange nor unusual. When the wood comes out of the dryer, the top layers are always twisted and warped
Regarding the pressure-treated wood at Byggmax, you have to sort quite hard if you want nice pieces. One might wonder, though, if it matters with ugly knots or waned edges on the underside of the deck :
I have also tried building with non-sorted pressure-treated wood from a nice building store. There were quite a few twisty ones there too, but sure, it looked better than the piles at Byggmax.
They ONLY had the crappy plasterboard when I went shopping. The decking was wet and only side boards, they were not warped or knotty but rather the opposite.
The staff knew NOTHING about anything.
The staff knew NOTHING about anything.
the screws have nothing to do with the cracking. It's likely many Svenssons have ended up with bad floors with unnecessarily much flex because these ignorant companies sell crap. Additionally, their impregnation agent is worthless so the complaints will come, rest assured.
About 'good' versus 'bad' timber, I heard on the radio yesterday a sawmill owner(?) being interviewed about water-stored/lake-stored timber, and it's advised to avoid using it in exterior paneling due to 'risk of discoloration.' In other words, if I paint it white, it will turn black with mold after a few years, that was what I gleaned between the lines anyway.
Then he didn't sound very convincing about what kind of timber they were sawing from this raw material either... :-? Anyone knowledgeable about this handling with wet-stored timber, how can I avoid getting it? It's probably not possible to get the lumberyard to issue a certificate with a damages clause, etc., if my newly bought timber turns out to have been wet-stored ;D
Am I just paranoid about this water-stored (and today's bad paint...!) ?
Then he didn't sound very convincing about what kind of timber they were sawing from this raw material either... :-? Anyone knowledgeable about this handling with wet-stored timber, how can I avoid getting it? It's probably not possible to get the lumberyard to issue a certificate with a damages clause, etc., if my newly bought timber turns out to have been wet-stored ;D
Am I just paranoid about this water-stored (and today's bad paint...!) ?
When I built my summer house, I used both "brädgårdsvirke" and "byggmaxvirke". But since I often had to return the delivered brädgårdsvirke due to poor quality, I gradually went to Byggmax to get my wood, better and cheaper. For the terrace, I saved many, many thousands by fetching from Byggmax.
The other day I read in one of the forestry companies' magazines that the last of the water-stored timber has now been picked up.
It stated that the wood turned out to be in good condition and very suitable as construction timber. I wouldn't think we need to worry that any of the larger quality-conscious companies will saw paneling from this water-stored timber.
It stated that the wood turned out to be in good condition and very suitable as construction timber. I wouldn't think we need to worry that any of the larger quality-conscious companies will saw paneling from this water-stored timber.
The point of K-24 or C-24 graded timber is that it is specifically graded; if you build something with it that later proves to be substandard, you are covered, and the sawmill/building merchant will have to take the hit. However, if you personally assess an ungraded piece of timber and miss something, it can lead to significant troubles. I also want to point out that grading at sawmills often works in such a way that what is stated on the package is more like a minimum grade, meaning in a 6th-grade package (which, by the way, is considered the normal standard for building constructions such as walls, etc.), there should not be any timber worse than this quality, but there may be plenty that is better.
Roughly, the following applies:
1st grade knot-free furniture timber
2nd-3rd grade graded construction timber
4th grade panel/cladding boards
5th-6th grade regular building timbers
7th grade formwork material, etc.
However, this is not an "industry standard," just a guideline.
Roughly, the following applies:
1st grade knot-free furniture timber
2nd-3rd grade graded construction timber
4th grade panel/cladding boards
5th-6th grade regular building timbers
7th grade formwork material, etc.
However, this is not an "industry standard," just a guideline.
Hello,
I am currently furnishing the upstairs of a house from '65. I have so far used 4-500 linear meters of timber of varying dimensions and quality. An observation I made when I halved the spacing in the floor for the future bathroom was the significant difference in the wood's density. When I attached the iron with screws, on a few occasions, the screws broke in the old wood. In the new wood, the screws just slipped when I was careless. Not even the laminated beams showed such compact wood. I later examined a 45x70 timber from Beijer where the growth rings were up to 1 cm thick. This would surely affect the strength!
Of all the linear meters of wood I have used, the wood from the local small house manufacturer has been the best, especially the 45x70 timbers. Nearly knot-free, finger-jointed, perfectly straight, and an exact length of 5.3m.
I would probably rank the wood from Beijer as the worst. Propeller candidates, many defects, and expensive!
//Plyss
I am currently furnishing the upstairs of a house from '65. I have so far used 4-500 linear meters of timber of varying dimensions and quality. An observation I made when I halved the spacing in the floor for the future bathroom was the significant difference in the wood's density. When I attached the iron with screws, on a few occasions, the screws broke in the old wood. In the new wood, the screws just slipped when I was careless. Not even the laminated beams showed such compact wood. I later examined a 45x70 timber from Beijer where the growth rings were up to 1 cm thick. This would surely affect the strength!
Of all the linear meters of wood I have used, the wood from the local small house manufacturer has been the best, especially the 45x70 timbers. Nearly knot-free, finger-jointed, perfectly straight, and an exact length of 5.3m.
I would probably rank the wood from Beijer as the worst. Propeller candidates, many defects, and expensive!
//Plyss
Hello!
Also disappointed with Beijer! Last Saturday, I went to buy a number of planks, raw planed 45 x 95, at least 3.70 in length. Started at Beijer (Lissma). What they had there, I would have hesitated to use even as forming wood! Shorter lengths looked okay, but were too short for us. I thought Beijer was one of the "real" hardware stores.
Then I headed to Byggmax. There, you probably could have found some decent planks in their pile, but not the 24 pieces we needed. They also couldn’t open the next bundle we saw lying next to it until the first one was finished. And who wants to buy the last boards that everyone else has rejected?
Finally, we ended up at Woody's professional store. There were decent planks available, but you must be able to purchase via a company account. Thankfully, we could do that.
So, my two takeaways from this are:
1) Shouldn’t private individuals be able to buy decent timber?
2) Who buys the knotty propeller-like pieces lying in the hardware store piles?
/pinebar
Also disappointed with Beijer! Last Saturday, I went to buy a number of planks, raw planed 45 x 95, at least 3.70 in length. Started at Beijer (Lissma). What they had there, I would have hesitated to use even as forming wood! Shorter lengths looked okay, but were too short for us. I thought Beijer was one of the "real" hardware stores.
Then I headed to Byggmax. There, you probably could have found some decent planks in their pile, but not the 24 pieces we needed. They also couldn’t open the next bundle we saw lying next to it until the first one was finished. And who wants to buy the last boards that everyone else has rejected?
Finally, we ended up at Woody's professional store. There were decent planks available, but you must be able to purchase via a company account. Thankfully, we could do that.
So, my two takeaways from this are:
1) Shouldn’t private individuals be able to buy decent timber?
2) Who buys the knotty propeller-like pieces lying in the hardware store piles?
/pinebar
I've encountered that phenomenon as well.
Finding a bundle of nice lumber next to a pile of junk, and yet they refuse to open the nice bundle. -"Well, you can have 20% off." And? If I'm building roof trusses, I need straight lumber, end of story.
However, I think I have a good Beijer in that sense. With them, it was no problem to get wood from the next bundle instead. I needed 4.90 pieces and they only had 4.50 in stock, so I asked them to check if they had longer pieces on the way. It turned out they were getting two bundles from the truck that was just being unloaded.
The 5.10 bundle was prioritized and placed next to my trailer so I wouldn't have to lift it far. That’s the kind of service that keeps customers coming back, and they also sold all the framework timber for the entire project.
Finding a bundle of nice lumber next to a pile of junk, and yet they refuse to open the nice bundle. -"Well, you can have 20% off." And? If I'm building roof trusses, I need straight lumber, end of story.
However, I think I have a good Beijer in that sense. With them, it was no problem to get wood from the next bundle instead. I needed 4.90 pieces and they only had 4.50 in stock, so I asked them to check if they had longer pieces on the way. It turned out they were getting two bundles from the truck that was just being unloaded.
The 5.10 bundle was prioritized and placed next to my trailer so I wouldn't have to lift it far. That’s the kind of service that keeps customers coming back, and they also sold all the framework timber for the entire project.
Yes, that thing with 20% has happened countless times but I don't think one should pay for junk, the parallel can be drawn to the sawmills that condemn a large portion of the timber as waste, which means that the forest owner doesn't get paid for it.
Isn't it reasonable to make the same judgment as a customer to the sawmill then?
Isn't it reasonable to make the same judgment as a customer to the sawmill then?
Yes, it is.
In the end, it's about remembering who the customer is. If I'm not allowed to buy good timber there, I won't shop there at all.
The risk that company takes is that they might run out of customers, plain and simple.
In the end, it's about remembering who the customer is. If I'm not allowed to buy good timber there, I won't shop there at all.
The risk that company takes is that they might run out of customers, plain and simple.