How to hang kitchen cabinets on a lightweight concrete wall?

[imported_Byggaren]

Excuse the thread hijack. Byggaren, is there any magazine one can subscribe to/read to enrich oneself in the art of building? Personally, I've received some help from my craftsman to 'get started' with certain things, but one can't run to him all the time. Besides, his interest is now much less since my biggest jobs are completed...

I've been reading Gör Det Själv for a few years now, but I haven't seen any better publication. Sometimes I imagine I'm learning things, even though I naturally don't have the knowledge to judge or grade whether what they show in their articles is done the right way or not. At the same time, one wants to get better and learn new things, so any tips on periodicals or the like are welcomed!

Unfortunately, I haven't found any magazine that is 'good' from the perspective of teaching correctly how one should/do things. Sometimes it's also the case that it can be done correctly in more than one way, and they usually describe only one way. I would like that way to be entirely correct; otherwise, it's misleading.

So the only advice I can give you is to start practicing in construction and then study to become a construction engineer and start working in the construction industry with some well-renowned construction contractors to learn from the ground up how things should be done. It takes time but is worth every second

Of course, you can also try to study on your own by getting a list of current course literature and borrowing the books from the library. The theory alone, however, is not sufficient. It may account for 10-20% of the knowledge. The rest comes with years and accumulated experience.

But if you think it becomes too much, my advice is to follow TV4's 'Bygglov' program where there is at least a professional in action. The older figure is not much worse even if he jokes around sometimes, and the woman is superb with everything else. They do most things right even though there are a couple of occasions where it could have been done better. Especially by the professionals who were hired.
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Byggaren

 

[raveper]

When using screws and plugs, make sure that the screw's threads are not too sharp, as they will just cut through the plug. A screw should go straight through the plug and expand it.

 

[Heavy]

Does the above also apply to slaggbetong? I'm in the process of renovating an apartment where the walls are made of slaggbetong blocks. I've noticed while demolishing that the concrete is very porous and I suspect it will be difficult to get anything to adhere to this concrete.

 

[dadid]

Well, what do you say about slaggblock? My experience tells me that nail plugs work well, but what's the best way to avoid drilling holes that are too large? Starting with a smaller drill is a good start, but should the drill type and speed also be considered?

/Dadid

 

[Milkshaken]

Read this thread now...
I just say hello... Okay, for plugs in concrete walls... but not in siporex or lightweight concrete..
Sure, you can have plugs in them, but for things that bind together more than what kitchen furniture does...

For simplicity and durability, I would have put up a narrow stud wall with chipboard or OSB as surface material... (Chipboard is best if you are going to paint or wallpaper in between) then I would have put noggins at all places where the cabinets require it...
why just so??? For durability, and also you have a good surface layer to attach paint and wallpapers to, plus you can make the wall perfectly straight, which makes kitchen cabinets easy to install...

 

[ohlgren]

I have purchased Heco Lättbetongplugg TML 8 in Nylon. Drill depth 70 mm, drill 10 mm.

Recommended screw diameter is 7.0-8.0 mm.

Where can one find screws that thick? I've searched several places but haven't found any.

Is it okay to use a French wood screw?
Planning to hang kitchen cabinets.

Otherwise, the plug seems good. You screw it into the lightweight concrete with an Allen key. Much cheaper than Fischers.

 

[imported_Byggaren]

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Is it okay to use French timber screws?
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Of course, French timber screws will do. They have a proper hex head with a large contact surface.
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[Daveo]

I have just attached the ledger board for a new deck with these plugs: http://www.heco.se/prodbild/652.jpg And fastened it with a long lag screw, it holds like a rock but one drawback... You need a special bit to be able to screw the plug into the wall, that bugger cost 380kr :S

 

[ohlgren]

I have just attached the support beam for a new deck with these plugs: [link] And tightened it with a long lag screw, it's rock-solid but a disadvantage.... You need a special bit to be able to screw the plug into the wall, that little thing cost 380kr :S

Hmm, strange. I use regular hex for the exact same HECO aerated concrete plugs. Fits perfectly.

 

[jon_h]

Yes, me too. There is also a straight slot for a skruvmejsel if I remember correctly.

 

[magnushasselqvist]

Hi

I am planning a kitchen in a room with a lightweight concrete wall, and I’m a bit concerned by what I have read here. Since I will have a ceiling supported by sturdy beams, I thought of taking advantage of this by attaching MDF board to the lightweight concrete wall and ensuring it doesn't fall outward from the overhead cabinet’s moment by supporting it with a beam at the top, see attached sketch. Then I will screw the overhead cabinet into the MDF board. Does anyone think this is a good or bad idea?

Regards

Magnus

 

[Jan-Å]

Read this thread now...
Hello, I just say... Ok. for plugs in concrete walls... but not in siporex or lightweight concrete..
Sure, you can have plugs in them, but for things that bind together more than what kitchen fixtures do....

For simplicity and strength, I would have put up a slim wood-stud wall with chipboard or OSB as the outer material... (Chipboard is best if you're going to paint or wallpaper in between) then I would have put noggings on all the places where the cabinets require it...
why exactly this way??? Yes, for the strength, and also you have a good surface to attach paint and wallpaper to, + you can make the wall perfectly straight, making the kitchen cabinets easy to install...

Our kitchen fixtures have been hanging since 2003 in plug/French screws in siporex/blue concrete. No problem at all, just need to use the right type of plug. Talking simplicity, it's clearly simpler to drill a few holes and insert plugs than to first build a wall, right?