and to contribute something to the thread, it says sca on the packages at byggmax, it probably says the same at beijer.
however, at byggmax you can't haggle or get a quote, nor return defective lumber.
at beijer you can probably get a quote, with better prices than byggmax, and then return any defective lumber...
however, at byggmax you can't haggle or get a quote, nor return defective lumber.
at beijer you can probably get a quote, with better prices than byggmax, and then return any defective lumber...
Stick-builder
· Gävleborgs
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Haha was that you! No, I built mine last summer, maybe I should start a project thread on the house sooncamaro1969 said:haha are you also going to build a deck holmberg87?
I'll be doing that this spring summer too, I have a new thread here somewhere
(ps, I got a hydrofor pump from you, delivered to statoil Gnarp like 2 years ago)
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aaah holmberg wasn't the thread creator... =(
Stick-builder
· Gävleborgs
· 2 434 posts
Don't think too much about where you buy the timber, buy where you get a good price and a reliable contact to do business with.
There are disadvantages to timber that has been sitting for a while:
- The end grain can be completely dried out, making the end 2-4mm narrower than the middle of the plank, making it difficult to lay and creating incredible irritation.
- Dried end grain can also cause it to crack already during installation.
- If it has been stacked on a pallet, it may still be that the middle of the pallet is still damp, which makes the whole thing a bit of a circus with widths at the joints.
- Dried-out wood may also be discolored at the ends and have a darker tone, and if the sticks are evenly divisible by CC as they usually are, there are scarce margins to cut off pieces, which results in waste.
- Cracks may have developed in the material.
I bought material for late summer for the cabin deck and must say I was very disappointed with the quality when it came to the joints. Dried, cracked, and discolored.
I must add that this was from a "professional supplier" and a full pallet.
Complaints revealed that I was not alone and that their supplier did not meet expectations.
Delays, vacation, and forest transport meant that I laid the decking anyway - But had it been someone else's deck and not my own, I would have complained about the whole mess.... A lot of irritation to put it mildly.
- The end grain can be completely dried out, making the end 2-4mm narrower than the middle of the plank, making it difficult to lay and creating incredible irritation.
- Dried end grain can also cause it to crack already during installation.
- If it has been stacked on a pallet, it may still be that the middle of the pallet is still damp, which makes the whole thing a bit of a circus with widths at the joints.
- Dried-out wood may also be discolored at the ends and have a darker tone, and if the sticks are evenly divisible by CC as they usually are, there are scarce margins to cut off pieces, which results in waste.
- Cracks may have developed in the material.
I bought material for late summer for the cabin deck and must say I was very disappointed with the quality when it came to the joints. Dried, cracked, and discolored.
I must add that this was from a "professional supplier" and a full pallet.
Complaints revealed that I was not alone and that their supplier did not meet expectations.
Delays, vacation, and forest transport meant that I laid the decking anyway - But had it been someone else's deck and not my own, I would have complained about the whole mess.... A lot of irritation to put it mildly.
Both suppliers indicate the same NTR standard, which would imply that the impregnation is equivalent.
Beijer specifies wood quality G4-2, which is also called kvinta and is a normal building quality. Byggmax has not specified the quality anywhere, which could be a risk of having a mix.
If Byggmax can guarantee that it is the same, i.e., G4-2, then it is the same as Beijer, but if there is a risk that it is G4-3, it means it is a lower grade and a clearly inferior quality.
So ask for a response on what wood quality they deliver, and if the answer is something like G4-3, VI, C, or "lower grade," choose Beijer.
Edit: The strange thing is that for 28x120, Byggmax states that it is "G4-2 with elements of G4-3," but nothing for the requested dimension. This is somewhat what I suspected when I wrote earlier, and then you risk receiving a whole batch of lower-grade wood (G4-3), i.e., significantly inferior wood compared to what Beijer claims to sell.
Beijer specifies wood quality G4-2, which is also called kvinta and is a normal building quality. Byggmax has not specified the quality anywhere, which could be a risk of having a mix.
If Byggmax can guarantee that it is the same, i.e., G4-2, then it is the same as Beijer, but if there is a risk that it is G4-3, it means it is a lower grade and a clearly inferior quality.
So ask for a response on what wood quality they deliver, and if the answer is something like G4-3, VI, C, or "lower grade," choose Beijer.
Edit: The strange thing is that for 28x120, Byggmax states that it is "G4-2 with elements of G4-3," but nothing for the requested dimension. This is somewhat what I suspected when I wrote earlier, and then you risk receiving a whole batch of lower-grade wood (G4-3), i.e., significantly inferior wood compared to what Beijer claims to sell.
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If I understand correctly, lumber is quite a local commodity, meaning that the quality of lumber in the lumber yards, regardless of the store, reflects the forest quality in the region. It becomes a bit skewed to compare Byggmax with Beijer with XL, etc., without considering where in the country you are buying. Then perhaps the lumber yards work differently hard on quality assurance, but most in the same area should reasonably get their lumber from the same sawmill.
Also check what Beijer and Byggmax charge for transport. There was a 2000:- difference between different suppliers when I ordered last summer. It ended up being AB Karl Hedin who delivered decking as they were the cheapest on shipping and matched Byggmax's timber prices.
As an anecdote, they apologized for not being able to specify which hour the timber would arrive, only as close as late afternoon. Bauhaus could specify the week at best....
As an anecdote, they apologized for not being able to specify which hour the timber would arrive, only as close as late afternoon. Bauhaus could specify the week at best....
The regional differences, Southern Sweden, Central Sweden, Norrland, etc., have a greater impact on timber quality than the choice of supplier. The advantage with Beijers is that they can sometimes manage to bring in even better goods. In Skåne as well as in Blekinge, the pressure-treated timber consistently holds a poor quality compared to further up in the country. The most important quality aspect is how close-grained the timber is. The more close-grained, the less the wood's movements in the board's width direction. This is important both in terms of appearance and durability. Next time I plan to build something with pressure-treated wood for personal use, I intend to rent a truck and go to Norrland to buy timber.