Hello!
In short, I sold my house some time ago and I now have a dispute with the new owners regarding two extensions that are bedrooms. I wasn't the one who built the extensions. The dispute concerns the building permits for the bedrooms, which the new owners claim are not applicable due to uncertainty about the fire classification for exterior walls, etc.
There is an additional agreement regarding the above, which is why I'm seeking answers...
Now to the questions.
As I understand it, EI30 (double gypsum boards) is required for an exterior wall in a bedroom. Is it the same for interior walls, or are there different regulations? How is this best checked in the most concrete way possible to satisfy the new owners?
Is EI30 standard for bedroom construction and other walls in the house?
Regarding the escape route from the bedroom, if the bedroom is directly connected to the living room/kitchen and directly connected to a patio door leading to a conservatory and in close proximity to a patio door leading to the outside, does it still need/should it have an operable window in the bedroom or not?
I have asked these questions to the municipality and the national board but haven't received a reply yet.
I am very grateful for concrete answers!
Best regards
In short, I sold my house some time ago and I now have a dispute with the new owners regarding two extensions that are bedrooms. I wasn't the one who built the extensions. The dispute concerns the building permits for the bedrooms, which the new owners claim are not applicable due to uncertainty about the fire classification for exterior walls, etc.
There is an additional agreement regarding the above, which is why I'm seeking answers...
Now to the questions.
As I understand it, EI30 (double gypsum boards) is required for an exterior wall in a bedroom. Is it the same for interior walls, or are there different regulations? How is this best checked in the most concrete way possible to satisfy the new owners?
Is EI30 standard for bedroom construction and other walls in the house?
Regarding the escape route from the bedroom, if the bedroom is directly connected to the living room/kitchen and directly connected to a patio door leading to a conservatory and in close proximity to a patio door leading to the outside, does it still need/should it have an operable window in the bedroom or not?
I have asked these questions to the municipality and the national board but haven't received a reply yet.
I am very grateful for concrete answers!
Best regards
Smart alek
· östergötland
· 2 774 posts
How old are the extensions?
How far is it to the neighboring buildings?
Are there building permits and final approvals?
What do they think is a problem that couldn't be seen at the viewing?
How far is it to the neighboring buildings?
Are there building permits and final approvals?
What do they think is a problem that couldn't be seen at the viewing?
I was unclear, it's really only a part that's an extension to the bedroom of the existing house and it was built around 2011. The other bedroom is in a part of the garage.
The nearest neighbor is between 1.5-2 meters.
There is a building permit, but the new owners have appealed the final inspection certificate because they believe that, among other things, the outer walls are not properly fire-rated.
The extension was initially constructed with a building permit as a storage room, then I applied for a change to a bedroom.
TS, I don't have anything concrete to contribute to your case, I don't know what rules applied in 2011 when the extension/extensions were created.
So let me go a bit OT here:
I think the forum is becoming increasingly filled with what I see as strange questions, based on someone buying a property or a condo, which they are not really satisfied with, something about the design, or perhaps more about the price.
This applies to both property purchases and the procurement of craft services.
Essentially, everything is "wrong," all properties/apartments have different layers where they have been renovated, extended, modified, or repaired in a non-perfect way. Just as it takes some finesse to create a project around a craft service so that it turns out exactly as expected.
I feel like today's buyers believe they have bought perfect houses/apartments, and when they begin to find the different layers of "non-perfect," they seek conflict, for the seller to fix the "non-perfect" or to quickly get a significant price reduction.
Even when buying a newer house, it comes with historical layers. Different parts may have followed different standards and regulations that applied when it was remodeled or extended.
It's somewhat as if today's buyers don't want to realize they've bought a more or less long-standing history when purchasing their property.
Yeah, yeah, maybe I should start a thread about this instead of writing here...
So let me go a bit OT here:
I think the forum is becoming increasingly filled with what I see as strange questions, based on someone buying a property or a condo, which they are not really satisfied with, something about the design, or perhaps more about the price.
This applies to both property purchases and the procurement of craft services.
Essentially, everything is "wrong," all properties/apartments have different layers where they have been renovated, extended, modified, or repaired in a non-perfect way. Just as it takes some finesse to create a project around a craft service so that it turns out exactly as expected.
I feel like today's buyers believe they have bought perfect houses/apartments, and when they begin to find the different layers of "non-perfect," they seek conflict, for the seller to fix the "non-perfect" or to quickly get a significant price reduction.
Even when buying a newer house, it comes with historical layers. Different parts may have followed different standards and regulations that applied when it was remodeled or extended.
It's somewhat as if today's buyers don't want to realize they've bought a more or less long-standing history when purchasing their property.
Yeah, yeah, maybe I should start a thread about this instead of writing here...
Smart alek
· östergötland
· 2 774 posts
But what do they want?
It sounds like they are asking you and don't know themselves...!? Can't you just say that you are not aware of any issues related to fire protection? If they then want to report a problem, they'll have to specify what is wrong and which laws/regulations that applied at the time of construction they believe the construction violates.
If I understand correctly.H Heivon said:
A renovation was done in 2011, by the previous owner. It's probably a hassle to find out exactly which regulations applied then.
There is a building permit for the renovations.
The property has now been sold and the new owner is asking questions. This is something the buyer should have done before the purchase, an investigation should be made before buying and not after. As a seller, you can most likely feel secure if there is no part without a building permit. Unfortunately, as someone wrote above, it is now often the case that buyers think they have bought something perfect that meets all current standards when they have bought something second-hand that follows regulations from earlier times. There is a risk that you may end up in endless discussions with the buyers, so it might be wise to cut this off now. If you haven't made any false promises and there is a building permit, it's risk-free.
What should the rooms be fireproofed against? Is it a neighbor or something else?
The outer wall usually copes with a single 13mm gypsum board and at least 95mm stone wool. So your outer wall will probably handle it without any problems.
Then you write about an inner wall, what should that fire protection guard against. Within the same residence, no fire protection is required except against a garage and possibly a boiler room.
The outer wall usually copes with a single 13mm gypsum board and at least 95mm stone wool. So your outer wall will probably handle it without any problems.
Then you write about an inner wall, what should that fire protection guard against. Within the same residence, no fire protection is required except against a garage and possibly a boiler room.
In the additional agreement I've mentioned, it states, among other things, that correct building permits should be obtained for the bedrooms. Building permits exist, but the new owners have stopped/appealed the final notice because they believe that there is uncertainty regarding, among other things, the walls.P Posselosse said:
Their house. Their problem. Say you don't want to have anything to do with them anymore.
And besides: how can the new owners be so foolish as to appeal the final notice on their own house?
Why did you apply for planning permission for extensions that you haven't done?
But don't worry.
There are insurmountable obstacles for the new owners to win a battle over compensation for hidden defects. Partly the hidden nature, partly any hidden defects would affect the price too little.
And besides: how can the new owners be so foolish as to appeal the final notice on their own house?
Why did you apply for planning permission for extensions that you haven't done?
But don't worry.
There are insurmountable obstacles for the new owners to win a battle over compensation for hidden defects. Partly the hidden nature, partly any hidden defects would affect the price too little.