A question about fastening in lightweight concrete with anchor compound.

To achieve the highest possible pull-out value, I have seen recommendations to make a conical hole.
Can this be done with a regular drill?
Or do you need a special tool, such as Fischer's conical drill PBB, which is found almost at the bottom here http://admin.getanewsletter.com/t/pm/59464213944/ ?
 
A regular drill, and then you tilt the drill a bit in all directions when the drill bit is at the bottom of the hole.
 
What is so heavy that special solutions are required?

Just a regular plug holds very well, and anchor mortar in a straight hole is rock solid.

There are few things in a home that are so heavy that it isn't enough.
 
Oldboy said:
A regular drill, and then you tilt the drill slightly in all directions when the drill bit is at the bottom of the hole.
The cone should have its largest diameter inside the hole, and it's not quite easy with your suggestion because it usually ends up largest outside the hole instead.

But it's doubtful if such solutions are necessary for normal conditions, as even without a straight hole, it provides great strength.
 
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ESSVE's lightweight concrete plug "with wings" at 8mm provides incredibly good grip even though the plug itself is not actually that long. There is also a 10mm version but I've rarely felt the need to use it since the 8mm provides very good grip. Tested everything from sparring rails to wall cabinets in porous lightweight concrete.
 
Never in my professional life have I encountered conical holes in ltb to improve strength; the practice, in my opinion, is through bolts if something heavy needs to be attached.

Otherwise, it holds like a rock with anchor mass!

How does one make these conical holes? It would be interesting to know in case I ever need to do it.
 
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Awesome!

Let's see if I ever come across this at work, I think all designers should have belt and braces and advocate through-bolt!

Oceanis, you're in the industry, right?! Have you encountered this approach?
 
Lutte - do you encounter demands for through bolts even in regular small houses? It must be in construction details if so? Load-bearing parts?
 
Troublesome with exterior walls...
 
Or actually, now I'm being too negative. It's really simple with exterior walls. Plenty of room to fit a nut and washer.
 
MathiasS said:
Lutte - do you encounter requirements for through bolts even in regular small houses? It must be in construction details? Load-bearing parts?
It usually involves multi-family houses or premises for offices or industry

Yes, it concerns load-bearing details, such as brackets for supports.

But when do you need to chemical anchor a bolt for something in a regular house? It's not like you're fastening the flat TV with two chemical anchored M12s 😁
 
Oceanis wrote:
"The cone should have its largest diameter inside the hole and it's not easy with your suggestion because it usually becomes largest outside the hole instead."

You hold the drill still at the entrance and ream out the hole internally. It's incredibly easy in lightweight concrete. If you find it difficult, you can take a piece of wood or metal sheet with a hole (matching the drill diameter) to "ensure" the drill doesn't over-ream at the surface.
 
Lutte said:
Most often it concerns apartment buildings or premises for offices or industry

Yes, then it's about load-bearing components, for example, brackets for supports.

But when do you need to chemically anchor a bolt for something in a regular house? It's not like you attach the flat TV with two chemical M12s 😁
Ok, that's what I thought too.
 
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