Is this really professionally done by an experienced carpenter?

[Markarbetaren]

It's usually the electrician who makes holes on the single layer and the carpenter on the double layer, so no one has to wait. It looks like my friends from Lithuania have been there and carpentered. I did a house in Åre where the "carpenters" came from Lithuania, and they had a hole saw that was 80 mm and were completely puzzled when I complained about the large holes and offered to lend them a 70 mm hole saw. The painter was just delighted when he had to fill in around half of the sockets.
Otherwise, I have never encountered a carpenter who didn't have a 70 hole saw and hole in one magnets

I thought the same thing but didn't dare write it myself. After 30 years in the construction industry, I've seen how it has developed. It's all about costs, as soon as savings start so someone can make money, regardless of who, the quality suffers. The same goes when there's a big demand and a shortage of staff; then the quality declines. In the early 2000s, the construction industry took 50,000 people from the industry, folks who at most had hung a picture at home. The demand for construction services was high, and the quality dropped when many jobs were hurriedly put together by amateurs. Then came a small crisis in '08, and these people left the industry. Then it swung again, and there was renewed demand for labor in construction. But this time, the industry is booming, so fortune seekers come from other parts within the free movement of the EU. The difference is that now many have experience in the industry, but they have a different way of thinking, a different culture. Attention to detail, safety mindset, demands on the employer, etc., don't exist quite at the same level in this group. Outsiders have probably not missed the TV segments showing how they have coffee breaks, work, etc. Does anyone seriously believe that you get the exact same quality of work when the cost is so much lower?

 

[hyweu]

I thought the same but didn't dare to write it myself. After 30 years in the construction industry, I've seen how it has developed. Everything is about costs, as soon as savings start to be made for someone to make money, regardless of who, the quality suffers. The same thing happens when there is too much demand and a shortage of staff, then the quality drops. In the early 2000s, the construction industry took 50,000 people from the industry, people who at most had hung up a picture at home. There was a high demand for construction services, quality dropped when many jobs were hastily done by amateurs. Then there was a small crisis in '08, and these people disappeared from the industry. Then it turned again and there was once more a need for labor in construction, but this time the industry is running at full capacity, so the fortune seekers come from other parts within the free movement of the EU. The difference is that many now have experience in the industry, but they have a different mindset, a different culture. The attention to detail, safety thinking, demands on the employer, etc., do not exist quite at the same level in this group. Outsiders have surely not missed the reports on TV showing how people have coffee breaks, work, etc.
Does anyone seriously believe that you get exactly the same quality of the work done when the cost is so much lower?

Some time ago, I had some help from a guy who had built his own house and so on (I saw pictures, videos, etc., it was great). Anyway, I thought I would at least give him a chance. It was time to put up new roof trusses on a dormer, he would be up there and I would be down. The gables were set, and we had a guide line. I showed the guy how it should be (a tape measure in between), then I said you're up and I'm down. Let's go!

When everything was done and I took a closer look, suddenly one beam was 2 cm above the line, another 2 cm below, and so on and so forth. I asked what he was doing (got a bit annoyed, especially considering he mangled the track on the anchor screws, so I had to angle-grind all the corners), got the response... "NO PROBLEM, Not a big deal, it comes under the roof, it's not visible..."

WTF!?!?!

Since that day, I'm done with "No problem... " and "I can do everything... " firms, I've given several chances and unfortunately, as you say, they might be able to do everything, they might solve most things, but the detail and how it looks behind the drywall or the board. Well, that's a whole different story. Unfortunately, that's how it is, at least according to my experience.

All the best!

 

[raveper]

A bottle of ketchup should certainly be something the carpenter could sacrifice for their customers?

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I usually use the ketchup trick, works perfectly. Once I made the mistake of using lipstick instead. Not good. It doesn't dry, so when the wallpaper was going up there was a red stain on it. A small crumb had ended up on the floor and spread its color everywhere.

 

[BTGLOVER]

That's how it works on construction sites. Painter's felt and paint on, and it should be fine. No one is sitting and staring at a box, and an entire drywall sheet isn't thrown away for something like that.

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We are in a claims process with a well-known and nationwide company that claims this was done professionally. We are skeptical.

The carpenter has used a hole saw that is far too large for the junction boxes and hasn't even centered the boxes in the middle of the holes. The carpenter and the company claim that this is how it's done and that the problem is solved later with filler and sealant, "That's how it works on construction sites," they say.
This would result in unreasonable additional costs of time and materials, who wants to pay for that?
We are worried that the consequence will be that the filler will crack over time.
The hole ends up outside our Eljo trend switches.

If there are any carpenters, painters, or electricians out there, please comment and let us know if this is really how it's done on construction sites today.

 

[Mikael_L]

I still don't get it.

It can hardly be faster and cheaper to cut with a too-large hole saw and then mess around with filler, painter's fleece, sanding, and all the drying time, than just using the right hole saw from the start.

Is it just with the thought that you can always pass the cost on to the customer that they continue like this?

If this is customary, it's really time for the clumsy contractor firms to start getting deductions on their invoices and losing their cases in court until they learn that it's better to work the right way.

 

[twoody]

I still don't understand.

It can hardly be faster and cheaper to saw with too large a hole saw and then mess with filler, paint mat, sanding and all the drying time, than just using the right hole cutter from the start.

Is it just with the thought that as always you can push the cost to the customer that this is being done?

If this is the norm, it's really time for the sloppy contractor companies to start getting deductions on their invoices and losing their cases in court until they learn that it's better to work in the right way.

No, it doesn't go faster, well maybe a little. It could simply be that they used the wrong cutter for this hole.

 

[CalleSpeed]

Hi

The additional cost for materials, etc., to cover should not be more than 500 SEK for 7 cans!

//Calle

 

[twoody]

Hi

The extra cost for materials etc. to cover cannot be more than 500 SEK for 7 cans!

//Calle

Max 50 SEK

 

[elmont]

But the fact that it is cheap to fix doesn't justify in any way making a completely unnecessary mistake. Additionally, over time the putty will come off and you'll have to redo everything, just because a bungler made a mistake that no professional should make.

 

[twoody]

But the fact that it's cheap to fix doesn't justify making a completely unnecessary mistake. Additionally, over time, the filler will come off and everything will have to be redone, just because an amateur made a mistake that no professional should make.

So you mean that professionals don't make mistakes?
All mistakes are unnecessary, but sometimes things go wrong.
And if it's a professional fixing the hole, there are no problems.

 

[elmont]

Using the wrong dosing mill is not a mistake a professional should make; a professional KNOWS which dosing mill to use for what. If you can't do that, you shouldn't call yourself a professional.

 

[twoody]

Using the wrong dosfräs is not a mistake a professional should make, a professional KNOWS which dosfräs to use for what. If you can't manage that, you shouldn't call yourself a professional.

So if someone makes a mistake, they are not a professional?
Then I can say there aren't many professionals/ women out there.

 

[roland53]

Of course, professionals can also make mistakes, but one should expect a serious professional to take responsibility and correct the mistake himself.

To offload the "wrong solution" to another professional category (painter) is hardly serious.

The main question was "is this really done professionally?"

Some of the responses seem to imply that making mistakes is a professional right. I mean that the execution is not professionally acceptable, and whether this is due to bad luck, language barriers or other reasons is probably quite uninteresting for TS, I would think. :x

 

[Kane]

So if you make a mistake you're not a professional?
Then I can say that there aren't many professionals, male or female.

Distinguish between a mistake and a deliberate action. I am completely convinced that they knew it was the wrong dimension for the hole saw.

 

[twoody]

Distinguish between mistake and deliberate action. I am completely convinced that they knew it was the wrong size hole saw.

Ok so you know the person in question who did this?