Is this really professionally done by an experienced carpenter?

[TheGame]

Excuse me but I wonder what .i means with hole in one? I'm thinking golf

 

[Noggrann_husägare]

So it's okay for a carpenter to mess up/slacken, as long as it looks good in the end?

 

[Norrhyttan]

So it's okay for a carpenter to mess up/slack off, as long as it looks good in the end?

Yes, in a way. If you make a mistake and fix it, then no one can really complain, right? Everyone can make mistakes. The important thing is how you handle the mistake.
But routinely using an oversized hole saw as a shortcut is obviously not okay.

 

[Stefan N]

Excuse me but wondering what .i means with hole in one? I'm thinking golf

Used by anyone with a bit of knowledge about construction together with a T70 hole saw in this case.

 

[oceanis]

Haha. "That's how it goes at construction sites"

Yeah right...

They've used the wrong size on the hole cutter. There are sizes that match the sockets. The painter can tell them what it costs or they have to re-plaster.

Re-plaster???? Now you're exaggerating.....
The final result after a patch-up will be just as good as if a smaller hole saw had been used, so why would you need to re-plaster the whole thing? Putting on a bit of filler on what's visible in the picture is a matter of seconds when you're already plastering the walls, so there's no need to exaggerate the whole thing.

And you, who claim to have built 500 apartments, must have made mistakes that were corrected, or do you re-plaster as soon as a little damage occurs on a panel and never repair anything??

 

[L-OFast]

Have you explained your expectations to your "craftsman" or should we say installer? You want a neat finished result when both the carpenter, painter, and electrician leave your house at the agreed time? Have you agreed that the result should be both neat and well-made? Of course, calling it professional might be an exaggeration. Rather laziness and convenience. Even if it's not done professionally, the final finish will likely be the same depending on how skilled your painter is. Even if you have a less experienced painter, he should be able to manage it without any problems. But it does become an additional cost, one or two extra fillings with drying times, and for a smaller project, there might not be anything he can do during the drying, so he has to go to another job and come back later = more steps, more trips which in turn take longer and time is money.

 

[ByggarenEmil]

Yes, in a way. If you make a mistake and correct it, then no one can complain, right? Everyone can make mistakes. The important thing is how you handle the mistake. But regularly using an oversized hole saw as a shortcut is of course not okay.

Completely agree! As long as you make it right afterwards! The end result will still be the same when the painter is done!

 

[ByggarenEmil]

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We are in a complaint process with a well-known and nationwide company that claims this is professionally executed. We are skeptical.

I can confidently say that there's no point in starting a complaint process if this is all you have to go on, unfortunately.
A painter will fix that so the final result is 100%. You can actually compare this to when a board breaks in a corner, and you put it up anyway because the painter will fix it later when he's working.

Of course, it was clumsy of the carpenter to use too large a hole saw. But you won't see anything when everything is finished.

 

[huggan]

You have to hope that they at least primed with drywall joint compound and not just regular joint compound.

 

[ByggarenEmil]

So it's okay for a carpenter to mess up/make mistakes, as long as it looks good in the end?

You can't really believe that even though you're a professional, mistakes don't happen sometimes? Something like drywalling is actually a minor issue because if you make a hole too big, for example, you can fix it with spackling later.

But if you mess up/make mistakes with a construction that is essential for the house, that's a whole different ballgame. But if that were the case here, they probably would have sent the right person to fix it immediately.

I just want to clarify that I don't accept shoddy work or careless execution of essential parts at all. I take my job very seriously and am very proud of it! On several occasions, I have "told off" various groups within the construction industry for doing a shoddy job, quite simply.

 

[Noggrann_husägare]

Of course, one can make mistakes and errors as a professional, it's human. The carpenter has made everything from small mistakes to major safety and construction errors. The small mistakes, which we were lenient with at the beginning, became more and more frequent, and when there are about 20 minor errors, the overall picture changes and the feeling is dominated by carelessness and stress. The carpenter explains everything with "that can be fixed later," but we would also have to pay for that. Double the cost compared to doing it right from the start.

We hired a "senior carpenter" precisely because we had the vision that "the good guys" don't engage in carelessness and stress, and are experienced in keeping down material and time costs.

 

[ByggarenEmil]

Of course, it's human to make mistakes as a professional.
The carpenter has made everything from small mistakes to major safety errors and construction mistakes. The small mistakes we initially overlooked became more and more, and when there are about 20 small mistakes, the whole feels different and is permeated with carelessness and stress. The carpenter explains everything with "that can be solved later," but we'll have to pay for that too. Double cost compared to doing it right from the start.

We hired a "senior carpenter" precisely because we had a vision that "the good old guys" wouldn't engage in carelessness and stress, and are experienced in keeping material and hourly costs down.

Then I understand your frustration! Stand your ground if you're being treated poorly. Unfortunately, it seems you've got the wrong craftsman for your project.

 

[roland53]

Most damages in plaster can be fixed so nicely with putty and sanding that they are not noticeable. It’s not a big extra effort, it’s about maybe an extra hour. A painter with a sanding giraffe makes it smooth and nice.

There's no reason to defend the carpenter in this case, I think. As an amateur, I succeed much better in my projects :x

Well, 1 extra hour, maybe not per socket but let's say half an hour extra per socket. With the hourly rates that apply today + materials. Then we're still talking 7x0.5x500:- = 2,000 SEK in round figures in additional cost, and then the result is still mediocre.

Should one accept such a thing?

Not in my world anyway, the construction company can put on the Santa hat and fix new boards. Because they seem like real Santas trying to talk away the carpenter’s shortcomings. Was a carpenter really involved? In today's construction rush, there seems to be a shortage of professionals, so a few Santas are probably hired. The Santas are, by definition, unemployed a large part of the year.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL

 

[olotor]

You write that you hired a "senior carpenter." Unfortunately, I believe that so-called craftsmen provided through senior pools are not always former professionals.

 

[hyggabus]

why would this spackling take an extra hour? on 7 sockets?
the rest of the boards and joints need to be spackled, hopefully at the same time.
Filling around the socket takes marginally extra time, like a minute each.