Hello,
here it wasn't really about building a house, but a boat, but I think the question should be somewhat related:

Do you have any advice, where can I find a massive pine beam?
Ideally, the dimension would be 115 x 105 mm planed - but we can buy larger and plane it ourselves.
We need at least 3 meters, if necessary it can be split into shorter sections.

A bit of a panic has arisen, so primarily interested in tips on places where it can be resolved in 1-2 days within Västra Götaland, so we can come and pick it up ourselves.

Where do you all hunt your panic materials? ;)
 
Boat! Considering the fog, it sounds more like a ship.

The wooden ship folks in my boat club are always on the hunt for timber. They then stack it up on land we have access to and cover it for rain. Ideally, they want it to sit for a year before using the timber. Therefore, a few hundred m3 of oak and pine lie around where I have my dock space. It is dried for ship craftsmanship and ready for use.

In the wrong part of the country, though. But if you're in the area, a bit of advance notice can get you some help.

Regards, Findus
 
findus42 findus42 said:
Boat! Considering the dim, it sounds more like a ship.
Yes, from what I understand, we're just below the thresholds to be considered a ship. But almost there...
However, the length of the beam we're going to buy isn't a full 3 meters in one place; it's in three different sections.
(A persistent leak with rot damage as a result, right where the beams meet.)

findus42 findus42 said:
The wooden ship people in my boat club are always hunting for timber. Then they stack it on open land that we have access to and cover it from the rain. Ideally, they want it to sit for a year before using the wood. That's why there's a few hundred m3 of oak and pine lying around where I have my mooring. It's dried for ship craftsmanship and ready to use.

In the wrong part of the country though. But if you're passing by, it's possible to get help with a little advance notice.

Regards, Findus
Hmm... I reckon it's far too short notice, but is there any chance something could be arranged already tonight?
If I'm interpreting you correctly, you're based around the Stockholm area?

Potentially, we could also look at oak if there's interest in selling (we're on our way to buy some for a wall on board), but it's specifically the beam I'm panicking about, where the plan was at least pine.

We have a person who has taken leave for a couple of weeks to work on things on board, but realized late that our intended supplier had problems with the dimensions...
 
Is it an option to glue together 3 pieces of 2x6 inch with epoxy glue? The strength increases, cracking decreases.
 
T Thomas_Blekinge said:
Is it an option to glue together 3 pieces of 2x6 inches with epoxy glue? The strength increases, cracking decreases.
It wouldn't be as nice, but it is probably still a viable alternative. Then it also means a few mm thinner than the current one, but that can probably be worked around...

Not the first choice, but sounds like a reasonable solution. Thanks! :)

Edit: It probably won't be too thin at all, just my head calculating wrong...
So that bug is dismissed, but it would probably still look nicer solid, as a large part of what is being replaced is in a visible place.
But we're considering it anyway! :)
 
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There are also ready-made glulam posts available to buy that are 115x115x3000. Run it through a planer a few times, and you'll be down to the finished dimension.
 
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Leif i Skåne
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May I ask why pine and not spruce?
I bought cut logs to use as exposed beams, but it was spruce.
 
V vectrex said:
There are also ready-made glulam posts available for purchase that are 115x115x3000. Send it through a planer a few times, and you'll have it at the right measurement.
The problem there is probably mostly aesthetic. Functionally, I guess it would be fine (I have to admit I have no idea how glulam posts behave).

nimhed nimhed said:
May I ask why pine and not spruce? I bought sawed logs to use as visible beams, but they were spruce.
What I've been taught is that pine is more rot-resistant than spruce, and rot is the reason the beam needs replacing (and it seems to have been replaced by a previous owner).

There seems to be a very notorious leak there in general. We've managed to reduce the leakage but haven't gotten it to stop completely; the search is still on to find out the actual path it's taking to get in.
 
G Gonte said:
What I have learned is that pine is more rot-resistant than spruce, and it's specifically rot that is the reason the beam needs to be replaced (and it seems to have been replaced by a previous owner).
That's probably true, while spruce is tougher than pine, so spruce is better suited from the perspective of bearing loads.
 
It actually seems like I have found a solution, many emails and calls later. We'll see tomorrow morning if it goes as planned. :)

Thanks for the response from those of you who wrote here!
 
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Laminated wood is said to be considerably more susceptible to rot than solid wood. At least, that's what those who tried to renovate the three-masted schooner Vega say. She is built with laminated frames, and apparently, moisture had been trapped between the glue joints in the inner laminations, so the frames that seemed healthy on the surface are rotten inside. The renovators began replacing the whole hull, but when they had completed a third of the length, the money ran out, and there she stands in a huge semi-provisional shed.

Now it seems to have worked out for the thread starter, but I just wanted to add a comment since the matter was discussed.

I also happen to have quite a lot of 6-inch pine blocks and 5x5-inch spruce in stock.
 
H heimlaga said:
Glued timber is said to be significantly more susceptible to rot than solid wood. At least that's what those who tried to renovate the three-masted schooner Vega claim. She is built on glued frames, and apparently, moisture had become trapped between the glue joints in the inner laminates, so the frames that appeared sound on the surface were completely rotten inside.

The renovators began re-framing the entire hull, but when they had completed a third of the length, the money ran out, and there she stands in a big, semi-provisional shed.

Now it seems to have worked out for the thread starter, but I just wanted to add a comment since the matter was discussed.

I also have a lot of 6-inch pine blocks and 5x5-inch spruce in stock.
A bit late to respond (not at home, and my mobile is not too willing to post here), but yes, it has indeed been resolved! We got a rather oversized pine block from a shipyard that works specifically with wooden ships and boats. It was a slow journey with a verrrrry low Skoda Fabia :D

The result, in any case, is that the new beam will be in solid pine, so we can avoid the risk of moisture in the glue joints. Thanks for your input, it was both useful to hear and always interesting when someone mentions wooden ship projects I haven't heard of before. :)
 
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