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J Jimmy Andeblom said:
Staffan

It's sad that you try to make fun at my expense, but even more alarming is your lack of awareness of the dangers of asbestos. There are incredibly easy-to-read and well-evidenced documents about the hazards of asbestos, and the work in the factory in Lomma is a very dark chapter full of ignorance and lack of knowledge.
Asbestos fibers are incredibly light and can linger in the air of a still room for an extraordinary length of time. It is precisely this reason that raises concerns about whether one can inhale asbestos fibers when the material is no longer intact or encapsulated. Asbestos contained within a non-porous material that does not release the fibers is thus not dangerous, as long as the material is not altered by cutting or otherwise affecting it.
If I understand correctly, you suggest that asbestos is no more dangerous than smoking and/or only dangerous in conjunction with smoking?!
I can only feel sorry for you in your reasoning. On the other hand, it’s not your fault you don’t understand.
There was no danger in your fixed window sills.
 
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J Jimmy Andeblom said:
Exactly, that's exactly what I mean. The comparison must be made with current facts. Asbestos is not as prevalent nowadays, whereas the dangerous stone dust occurs much more frequently. The difference between the impact of stone dust on the alveoli and bronchi in the lungs compared to asbestos is clear. Asbestos attaches like a hook with barbs and creates inflammation in the cells. The gas exchange can therefore not function as it should and the lung capacity is permanently impaired.
No, asbestos (that reaches down to the alveoli) are small nanofibers, very similar to carbon nanotubes.
These fibers are just slightly too large to be phagocytosed (engulfed) by macrophages, which means they remain in the tissue causing irritation (creating inflammation and damaging the tissue locally) and also result in the macrophages continuing to try to phagocytose them (which also leads to inflammation).
Chronic inflammation predisposes to cancer. Chronic regeneration of tissue damage causes fibrosis. Sounds scary, right? But the fact is that the alveoli are external surfaces just like the skin, and we daily inhale particles, viruses, fungal spores, and other "stuff" that cause small local damage and/or inflammation, and in most cases, the body resolves this.

The repair mechanisms become slightly worse with age, increasing the risk that something goes wrong and cancer develops. If one exposes their body to other hazards, like cigarette smoke, at the same time, the risk for cancer and fibrosis also increases. Some individuals have diseases that make the repair mechanisms function worse, but that's uncommon. In other words, if you don't smoke, have healthy lungs, and aren't very old, your lungs can handle most things.
But one shouldn't be reckless; to remain lung-healthy, always use protection during dust-generating work. And quit smoking if you have that habit!!!!
 
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Reviving this thread again. Found some old papers on my house that I'm renovating where they state that there is asbestos cement in the window sills. Being an estate without any relatives, there's really no one to ask if they're original... However, they don't seem to be at first glance and I'm a bit tired of paying for yet another asbestos test (I've submitted 4 on other details so far with negative results 😀)
 
  • Close-up of a gray windowsill with a white cylindrical object on it, wooden floor and black shoes visible below.
  • Concrete windowsill underside with metal bracket and pipe connection, questioning asbestos content due to renovation documents.
  • Close-up of a windowsill surface, possibly cement, with a mysterious red marking. Part of a home renovation project, discussing potential asbestos content.
  • Old typed document listing building materials including asbestos cement for window sills, related to home renovation and asbestos testing concerns.
Adding some pictures. I don't think they look like asbetscement, but what do I know...
 
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  • A smooth, gray panel with a reflective surface next to a white and black metal frame.
Rafff Rafff said:
Reviving this thread. Found old papers on my house that I'm renovating where they state that there is asbestos cement in the window sills. The house is part of an estate without any relatives, so there's really no one to ask if they are original... However, they don't look like it and I'm a bit tired of paying for yet another asbestos test (I've submitted 4 on other details so far with negative results 😀)
No asbestos test is needed for your window sills. If you don't drill into them, they are not dangerous, they sit well where they are and will last for generations. If you still want to replace them for aesthetic reasons, you can package them in a plastic bag and dispose of them in the designated container at the recycling center.
 
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F fribygg said:
No asbestos test is needed for your window sills. As long as you don't drill into them, they are not dangerous; they stay well where they are and will function for generations. If you still want to replace them for visual reasons, pack them in a plastic bag and dispose of them in the designated container at the recycling center.
Thanks, and I'm aware of that. However, I feel uneasy about having asbestos at all and will probably replace them if the suspicion persists.
 
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Rafff Rafff said:
Thanks and I am aware of that. However, I feel uneasy having asbestos at all and will probably replace them if the suspicion remains.
Replace if you are prone to worry, it doesn't require an asbestos test to change, and then you won't have to feel uneasy. Also, change the description so the next owner sees what material you've installed if it's not obvious (e.g., wood)
 
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Thank you, and I'm aware of that. However, I feel uneasy having asbestos at all and will probably replace them if the suspicion persists.
In a house from that time, one might wonder if the vent pipes are made of eternit?
 
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F fribygg said:
In a house from that time, one might wonder if the vent pipes are made of asbestos cement?
Checked already. They are steel and no asbestos in the insulation.
 
Those are, as far as I can tell, eternit boards. Completely harmless as long as you don't drill or saw, it's only the dust from them that arises during processing that is dangerous. If you want to change them and are very worried, spray with water before you remove the screws so they can't create dust. Anxiety is definitely not something to ignore, people have had heart attacks from less anxiety-inducing situations than window sills.
 
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Anna_H Anna_H said:
Those are, as far as I can see, asbestos boards. Completely harmless as long as you don't drill or saw, it's only the dust from them that arises during processing that is dangerous. If you want to replace them and are very worried, spray with water before you remove the screws so they can’t dust. Anxiety is definitely not something to ignore, people have had heart attacks over situations less anxiety-inducing than window sills.
Ha ha, no worries at all about either anxiety or the heart. But it just feels silly to keep them. At some point, you might have to move, and then the next buyer comes along and starts drilling and tearing into them thinking they are made of stone. Plus, I think they're ugly and was planning to remove them anyway. But they will end up at the recycling center in any case.
 
Rafff Rafff said:
Ha ha, no worries at all about either anxiety or the heart. But it just feels silly to keep them. Before you know it, you might have to move, and the next buyer will come and start drilling and tearing them down thinking they are made of stone. Besides, I think they're ugly and planned to remove them anyway. But they will end up right at the recycling center at least.
I think, on the contrary, that they are quite nice, and unlike materials like wood or stone, they can withstand water. The previous owner of our house had replaced them with ugly pine boards and used the asbestos boards as garden borders. They were like new when we removed them.
 
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E evojenza said:
Thread revival of the year!!!!
I was looking through old threads and found this one. I have the exact same boards. The house was built in '76. I washed them off and am leaving them for now, but I glare at them a couple of times a week. They have to go!
But why?

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S SBB said:
What is used to polish black Eternit window sills?
M52

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Staffans2000 Staffans2000 said:
I was afraid of that. The curse of the internet!

Staffan
I think the internet is at least as dangerous as asbestos.

Stickan
 
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