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What is this material? Help me identify.
It's about conducting a consequence analysis.Rickard.ag said:
@Staffan2000
I have now understood your view on asbestos and even if I actually agree with you that the hysteria is unreasonable many times, I would never want to have asbestos indoors so openly in that way.
I don't feel completely comfortable with my children running around and playing with toy cars on asbestos.
Then the fact that the risks are close to 0 even in the worst case if the board happened to break in an accident is actually irrelevant to me.
Calling it the curse of the internet to not want asbestos on a wear surface in the living room is a strange way to see it.
Asbestos in bound form is harmless. So. Does the action of replacing the window sills (where even the risk of damage should be considered) stand in reasonable proportion to the benefit? Certainly not! Then remains the mental benefit. That is, your children's health is not protected at all by the replacement of the window benches, but it's your own peace of mind that is in focus!
What I mean by "the curse of the internet" is that too much Googling allows reason to give way to irrational fear. Without the internet, that fear would never have appeared.
A comparison can be made with the movie "Jaws." After being scared half to death by it, I and many others hardly dared to swim even in a swimming pool. Much less in the ocean! The same irrational and counterproductive reaction in both cases. Without the internet and without the movie, no danger and fear would have existed.
Staffan
One might wonder why asbestos was used in practically everything in the 50s and 60s. What is the benefit of asbestos in a window sill? Or asbestos in glue? Completely unbelievably stupid.
But the fiberglass reinforcement was applied in layers, while the asbestos fibers were mixed into the compound. Two different methods. Imagine how heavy and fragile the Vette would have been if it was made of eternit.JA”Snabbe” said:
Hehe yes, but you should be able to have fiberglass in the slurry too, but asbestos was probably "hot" at the time.Staffan2000 said:
Staffan2000 said:
Because:Staffan2000 said:
1. Eternit is a health hazardous material
2. The amount of "gravel" that comes loose from the screw holes is not particularly appealing.
3. I can't in any way justify exposing myself and anyone else to this hellish dust
4. I can't think of any good reason to keep them where they are.
5. I'm ashamed of how Sweden deceived those who worked at the factory in Lomma
above all..... the flour that crumbles down on the floor from the screw holes!
You are wrong, it is absolutely not an exaggerated reaction born from frenetic googling like a hypochondriac on hemmaliv.seStaffan2000 said:
It's about conducting a risk analysis.
Asbestos in bound form is harmless. So. Is the action of replacing the window sills (where even the risk of them being damaged should be considered) reasonable compared to the benefits? Surely not! Then there remains the mental benefit. That is, your children's health is not protected at all by replacing the window sills, but it is your own peace of mind that is the focus!
What I mean by "the curse of the internet," is that too much Googling allows reason to give way to irrational fear. Without the internet, that fear would never have arisen.
An analogy can be made with the movie "Jaws." After being scared half to death by it, I and many others hardly dared to swim even in a swimming pool. Much less in the ocean! The same irrational and counterproductive reaction in both cases. Without the internet and without the movie, no danger and fear would exist.
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Staffan
The window sills "crumbled" from the screw holes...
Below is an excerpt from the text you linked to yourself. Unless you and your daughter are heavy smokers and also sniffing in the screw holes, year after year, the risk is minuscule that asbestos will harm your health. However, worry is a well-documented health risk, as is sugar, smoked food, processed meats, alcohol, cycling, transportation, trans fats, erotica with strangers, lightning strikes, weak ice, high teenagers ... yes, almost everything we surround ourselves with is a health risk! But not your countertops (unless you hit your head on them).J Jimmy Andeblom said:Thanks
All window sills are now disassembled but all the fittings remain screwed to the benches. The house was built the same year they shut down the factory in Lomma and the "great scandal and tragedy" was uncovered.
Lots of workers got stone lung or cancer and died because of the work there.
Apparently, I got some of the last production batch.
Yes. You have been hit by the curse of the internet
"The asbestos environment had not caused any discernible health problems in the first decades.[4] After World War II, there was a sharp increase in cigarette smoking with deep inhalation. For heavy smokers, the asbestos became dangerous and health problems arose. The contribution of smoking to asbestos’s danger has often been overlooked because smoking was so prevalent and a private matter.[citation needed] Smoking destroyed the lungs’ purification mechanisms, the cilia. Inhaled asbestos fibers remained in the lungs and caused many different diseases, cancer, and deaths. However, asbestos's great danger is still often talked about without mentioning the contributing effect of smoking."
Staffan
StaffanStaffan2000 said:
Below is an excerpt from the text you linked to yourself. Unless you and your daughter are heavy smokers and also sniffing in the screw holes, year in and year out, the risk of asbestos harming your health is vanishingly small. Worry, on the other hand, is a well-documented health risk, as is sugar, smoked food, cured meats, alcohol, cycling, transport, trans fats, erotica with strangers, lightning strikes, weak ice, intoxicated teenagers... almost everything we surround ourselves with is a health risk! But not your countertops (unless you hit your head on them).
Yes. You have been afflicted by the curse of the internet
"The asbestos environment had not caused any discernible health problems in the first decades.[4] After World War II followed a sharp increase in cigarette smoking with deep inhalation. For heavy smokers, asbestos became dangerous and health problems arose. Smoking's contribution to asbestos' danger has often been overlooked because smoking was so widespread and a private matter.[reference needed] Smoking destroyed the lungs' cleansing organs, the cilia. Inhaled asbestos fibers remained in the lungs and caused many different diseases, cancer, and deaths. However, it is still often talked about the great danger of asbestos without mentioning smoking's contributory effect."
Staffan
The fact that you are trying to make fun at my expense is sad, but your lack of knowledge about the seriousness of the danger of asbestos is frightening. There are incredibly easy-to-read and well evidence-based documents on the danger of asbestos, and the work in the Lomma factory is a very dark chapter full of ignorance and lack of knowledge. Asbestos fibers are incredibly light and can remain in the air in a still room for a very long time. It is precisely on this basis that the concern rests that one can inhale asbestos fibers when the material is no longer intact or encapsulated. Asbestos as a content in a material that is not porous and does not release the fibers is therefore not dangerous at all, as long as it is not affected by sawing or otherwise impacting the material. If I understand correctly, you mean that asbestos is no more dangerous than smoking and/or only dangerous in connection with smoking?!
I can only feel sorry for you in your reasoning. On the other hand, it's not your fault that you don't understand.
I don't know what you mean when you say that I linked this text.Staffan2000 said:
Below is an excerpt from the text you yourself linked to. Unless you and your daughter are heavy smokers and also sniffing in the screw holes, year in and year out, the risk of asbestos harming your health is vanishingly small. Anxiety, however, is a well-documented health risk, as is sugar, smoked food, charcuterie, alcohol, cycling, transportation, trans fats, erotica with strangers, lightning strikes, weak ice, high teenagers... yes, almost everything we surround ourselves with is a health risk! But not your countertops (unless you hit your head on them).Yes. You have been affected by the curse of the internet.
"The asbestos environment had not given any discernible health problems during the first decades.[4] After World War II, there was a significant increase in cigarette smoking with deep inhalation. For heavy smokers, asbestos became dangerous and health problems arose. The contribution of smoking to the danger of asbestos has often been overlooked because smoking was so prevalent and a private matter.[source needed] Smoking destroyed the lungs' cleaning organs, the cilia. Inhaled asbestos fibers remained in the lungs and caused many different diseases, cancer, and deaths. However, it is still often talked about the great danger of asbestos without mentioning the contributing effect of smoking."
Staffan
When do you claim that I linked this text?Staffan2000 said:
Below is an excerpt from the text you yourself linked to. Unless you and your daughter are heavy smokers and also sniffing in the screw holes, year in and year out, the risk of asbestos harming your health is vanishingly small. Anxiety, however, is a well-documented health risk, as is sugar, smoked food, charcuterie, alcohol, cycling, transportation, trans fats, erotica with strangers, lightning strikes, weak ice, high teenagers... yes, almost everything we surround ourselves with is a health risk! But not your countertops (unless you hit your head on them).Yes. You have been affected by the curse of the internet.
"The asbestos environment had not given any discernible health problems during the first decades.[4] After World War II, there was a significant increase in cigarette smoking with deep inhalation. For heavy smokers, asbestos became dangerous and health problems arose. The contribution of smoking to the danger of asbestos has often been overlooked because smoking was so prevalent and a private matter.[source needed] Smoking destroyed the lungs' cleaning organs, the cilia. Inhaled asbestos fibers remained in the lungs and caused many different diseases, cancer, and deaths. However, it is still often talked about the great danger of asbestos without mentioning the contributing effect of smoking."
Staffan
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Working in lomma would have been incredibly dangerous even if it was completely asbestos-free. If what I've heard is true, they breathed in concrete dust day in and day out and that is deadly even without asbestos, it still kills primarily in the construction industry today.
Asbestos is dangerous but using lomma as proof that the slightest asbestos fiber is life-threatening is just dumb and wrong.
Asbestos is dangerous but using lomma as proof that the slightest asbestos fiber is life-threatening is just dumb and wrong.
There is a slight difference between working in an asbestos factory for several years without protective equipment and being in a house with a few windowsills with asbestos bound in cement. It is a bigger problem to live by a busy street in the city where the air contains about 1000 fibers per cubic meter around the clock all year round.
Here, however, is a good link that explains for the conspiratorial.J Jimmy Andeblom said:
https://www.av.se/produktion-industri-och-logistik/asbest/huvudsakliga-risker-med-asbest/
And what do you base this fact on?Rickard.ag said:
Working in Lomma would have been incredibly dangerous even if it was completely asbestos-free. If what I've been told is correct, they were breathing in concrete dust day in and day out and that's lethal even without asbestos, it kills today primarily in construction.
Asbestos is dangerous but using Lomma as proof that the slightest asbestos fiber should be life-threatening is just silly and wrong.