Turn of the century: Brick arch - remove a "slice" at the edge?

[Anonymiserad 382478]

I'm curious about why the "tårtbiten" must be removed. What are you trying to achieve? Feel free to share if you like.

 

[JoRoT]

I am curious about why the "tårtbiten" has to go. What are you trying to achieve? Feel free to share if you want

I want to build a room that encloses the brick wall and then the extra 30cm is needed for the passage

 

[Stefan1972]

From a construction standpoint, I don't think that arch really bears any actual load. It extends only slightly into the wall and the support doesn't look particularly large, so in reality, the arch might just be for appearance.
But that's just my guess........What has been in the premises before? What type of building is it? Ground floor or higher up?

 

[JoRoT]

From a construction standpoint, I don't think that arch bears any real load. It goes into the wall quite a bit, and the support doesn't seem very large, so the arch could just be for appearance.
But that's just my guess... What has the space been used for before? What type of building is it? Ground floor or higher up?

Thanks, Stefan,

It is floor 2 of 4 in an apartment building in Vasastan, Stockholm. I agree with you that the load-bearing walls are the thick 50cm brick wall surrounding the arch. I suspect that one could either remove the arch or install a beam on the left side into the brick row just below the support to maintain the arch. However, one should be aware that the arch on the other side probably goes a bit into the thicker 50cm wall. The apex of the triangle is the side you see with the small support.

 

[Stefan1972]

Well, my thought was more about whether one could understand the need for the vault just there. Is it present on other floors as well, just there? Is there any clue otherwise as to why the vault is made? It probably requires a lot of calculations if you want to remove it completely and replace it with something else. Doubtful if that work corresponds to the small change you want.

 

[JoRoT]

Yes, but my thought was more about whether one could understand the need for the vault right there. Does it exist on other floors as well right there? Is there any clue otherwise as to why the vault is made? It probably requires quite a bit of calculation if you are going to remove it entirely and replace it with something else. Doubtful if that work corresponds to the small change you want.

This might help with understanding why that part is crucial - I plan to expand the bathroom around the load-bearing wall and need to increase the size of the room

 

[Anonymiserad 382478]

I want to build a room that encloses the brick wall, and then those extra 30cm are needed for the passage

Thank you. Interesting room solution.


I unfortunately cannot help you with whether it is possible to demolish, but I want to send a warning that applies to ALL primarily older houses. There is an expression that walls are indirectly load-bearing, somewhat like extra support, not intended to bear any specific load (floor joist, collar ties, etc.), but there is an important function.
...Also, if older houses have settlements (normal), something might have suddenly become more significant than initially intended.

 

[Anonymiserad 382478]

Can't see where everything should be placed yet, but there seems to be some "unnecessary space" in the bathroom, doesn't that just make the bathroom more expensive? Or am I missing an important function? For example, fitting in a washing machine.

 

[13th Marine]

Can't you just place one or two beams along the ceiling instead, across the entire opening?

Then you'll probably have to find a way to reinforce the arch so it doesn't collapse if you remove the "tårtbiten."

 

[13th Marine]

Sure, but my thought was more about understanding the need for the vault right there. Does it exist on other floors as well in that spot? Is there any clue as to why the vault was made? It would require considerable calculations if you want to remove it completely and replace it with something else. It's doubtful if that work corresponds to the small change you want.

In one of TS's pictures, you can see that the drawing is valid for all floor levels.

 

[cpalm]

I've been thinking about expanding the bathroom around the load-bearing wall and need to increase the room's size

Not to be that person, but... That looks like a completely crazy solution.

 

[JoRoT]

Not to be like that, but... It looks like a completely wacky solution.

The conditions for stammar only make it possible with a bathroom here. Do you see a better solution?

 

[JoRoT]

Can't see where everything should be placed yet, but there's some "wasted space" in the bathroom, doesn't that just make the bathroom more expensive? Or am I missing an important function? For example, fitting in a washing machine.

Shower at the upper part & toilet + sink at the lower part. Risers are in the 30*25-box by the shower. New doorway to the hall. Possibly could skip removing the "wedge" but then the passage into the shower becomes very tight. Do you see a better solution?

 

[cpalm]

Do you see a better solution?

The conditions are admittedly extremely poor...
But with the slanted wall, the passage between the WC and shower becomes far too tight.
Which, admittedly, is easily remedied by moving the wall further out, provided that the "slice" disappears.

But realistically, to start modifying load-bearing structural parts in that way... I think it will be hard to convince the association, and even so, it will become disproportionately expensive and complicated.

The alternatives, as I see it, are 1) a mini bathroom on the existing side of the arch, or 2) to separate the WC and shower.

Maybe something like this:

 

[Gammelnörden]