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"Baby food is legal." So are smoking, liquor, sugar, grilled meat, trans fats, and until quite recently, even asbestos. It is also legal to run with armfuls of knives. Do you follow.G greenhouse said:
I myself have torn down many asbestos-insulated pipes, removed eternit facades, sawed through asbestos-reinforced floor tiles, etc., etc. The hysteria surrounding asbestos is an internet phenomenon created by hysterical and ignorant people who spread their made-up tales wildly.
Hopefully, the old man ignored your water spraying suggestion, as the roof would have become very slippery.
I hope you now feel a bit calmer and can focus your protective instinct on real dangers. There are quite a few to choose from as it is. So it's a bit unnecessary to invent new ones.
Staffan
That was a good point, unfortunately, it's not raining and it's the second day in a row with 20 degrees and blazing sunshine, so I don't know how damp they are. Surely damper than indoors though.R roli said:
Also a reasonable point that tiles that break have already "released" their fibers. It sounds plausible.
This is a very unpleasant situation
It is clear that you are worried. But the cause is misinformation.G greenhouse said:That was a good point, unfortunately it isn't raining, rather it's the second day in a row with 20 degrees and bright sunshine, so how damp they are I don't know. Certainly damper than indoors though.
Also, a reasonable point that tiles that are breaking have already "released" their fibers. That sounds plausible.
Very unsettling story this
The danger of asbestos has nothing to do with the internet. It was banned as early as 1982, and at that time, the internet didn't exist. WellStaffan2000 said:
Yes Staffan, of course, I'm worried. It's about my child's health. That he has been exposed to something harmful because of my neighbor's negligence and stinginess.
But try to read the thread and realize that the risk your child has been exposed to is absolutely minimal! Have you ever lifted your child? Then you've exposed it to a greater risk than your neighbor has now. That's how minimal the risk is!G greenhouse said:
Virtually everyone who dies from asbestos-related diseases smokes and is exposed to large amounts of dust in their work.
More information on how much asbestos you get 'the natural way' can be found in the report linked here:
https://www.byggahus.se/forum/threads/orolig-foer-asbest-pa-arbetsplats.363555/page-7#post-3563001
You probably get more asbestos from being on a busy street in Stockholm than demolishing one or two asbestos roofs in your lifetime.
What I want to say is that one should certainly take the risks of asbestos seriously, but one should not exaggerate them. And above all, not panic when hearing the word asbestos while accepting a lot of other known dangers.
Stone dust causes silicosis and lung cancer, so why would you fear some asbestos boards being demolished for a few days in your lifetime 80 meters away, but not living next to a dusty gravel road?G greenhouse said:
More information on how much asbestos you get 'the natural way' can be found in the report linked here:
https://www.byggahus.se/forum/threads/orolig-foer-asbest-pa-arbetsplats.363555/page-7#post-3563001
You probably get more asbestos from being on a busy street in Stockholm than demolishing one or two asbestos roofs in your lifetime.
What I want to say is that one should certainly take the risks of asbestos seriously, but one should not exaggerate them. And above all, not panic when hearing the word asbestos while accepting a lot of other known dangers.
As mentioned, there is no danger. The neighbor has not put anyone in danger. Even asbestos remediators remove eternit outdoors without any protection for the surroundings. The difference is that their personnel who work with this daily protect themselves with an appropriate breathing mask.G greenhouse said:
I mean that the internet allows Tom, Dick, and Harry the opportunity to spread any misinformation they like. The worst example of that is probably "Familjeliv." Before the internet, one had to search for information in professional literature at the library. A much safer source than random statements from imaginative amateurs who are more interested in collecting likes and reading their own text than in conveying relevant facts.G greenhouse said:
That your concern about the neighbor's roof is "obvious" is not the least bit obvious, but self-inflicted. Despite our reassuring comments, you continue to worry. Which I believe is because you prefer to trust ignorant doom-mongers who thrive on collecting likes rather than us.
Staffan
An argument that often arises but hasn't been particularly clear in this thread is that you are not harmed by contact with asbestos on a few occasions. However, if you work with it every day in a professional life, you will likely end up in trouble. In other words, you don't need to worry even if the little one, against all odds, inhaled some of the neighbor's fibers; it's simply the last thing that will do them in.
I have read the thread and there are many good points. I fully understand that the risk is directly linked to the level of exposure. What I want to know is more about experiences and such regarding how much dust is released when taking down an asbestos roof. THAT it is released we know. The question is how much and how dangerous it is 80 meters away.
Just because it's extremely dangerous to skydive without a parachute doesn't mean all other risks and dangers are worth exposing oneself to. Worrying about things is rarely based on exact statistics. For example, people worry almost to death about the Coronavirus even though it is very unlikely that one will die from it. Comparing asbestos exposure to carrying one's own child is just irrelevant.
That said, let's keep a good tone. I don't want to get into the "my grandfather ate asbestos for breakfast and he lived to 92" discussion because it's fruitless.
Just because it's extremely dangerous to skydive without a parachute doesn't mean all other risks and dangers are worth exposing oneself to. Worrying about things is rarely based on exact statistics. For example, people worry almost to death about the Coronavirus even though it is very unlikely that one will die from it. Comparing asbestos exposure to carrying one's own child is just irrelevant.
That said, let's keep a good tone. I don't want to get into the "my grandfather ate asbestos for breakfast and he lived to 92" discussion because it's fruitless.
Assume that it means cubic centimeters.useless said:
Calculation based on that:
A human breathes about 25,000 liters of air per day
100 cm2 = 1 liter
0.0001 * 100 * 25000 = 250 fibers per day we ingest "naturally"
That question and others have already been answered for you. It is harmless, and your concern is based on ignorance.G greenhouse said:
How can one be clearer than that?
Staffan
Well. It depends.G greenhouse said:
If you jump from a thousand meters, it is extremely dangerous. But if you jump from a cm. high, the risk is significantly reduced. And that's the height you and the fair-haired one are at.
Staffan
1 liter is 1000 cm2, so 2500 fibers per day one can inhale even...M MagHam said:
0.0001 (100 fibers/m3) is probably some average 'background dose'. If you read the report I linked to earlier, you'll see there are 10 times more fibers in the air in big cities.
"Urban areas: - general levels may vary from below 100 to 1000 F/m3"
Moreover, many people stay in these areas around the clock, year in and year out, without everyone getting sick.