The neighbor is tearing down an asbestos cement roof!

[Plupp 239657]

Calling a company and asking might be a good idea!

Comparing asbestos to sugar is just plain childish.

It's not about wanting to get support for complaining about the neighbor. It's about a genuine concern for a substance that is very hazardous to health.
Whether the fear is justified or not, a good tone is expected.

I think you should call someone who is very knowledgeable about the issue. If you want to call a removal expert, I found one https://miramix.se/faq/asbestsanering/är-tillfällig-kortvarig-exponering-av-asbest-farlig
You should thus be at none to low exposure. The odds of you getting sick because the neighbor 80 meters away has removed some tiles are minimal.
Regarding sugar, it is unfortunately extremely hazardous to health; it kills an extremely large number due to that poison, which is much worse than asbestos in public health.

 

[MariaiÖstergötland]

Interesting viewpoints in the thread. Very curious about what, for example, Staffan means by the dangers in baby food, but it's very off-topic so we'll drop it for now. We had plans to replace our asbestos roof (not ourselves) last fall and I would have definitely contacted my nearest neighbors to give them a heads-up if that were the case. Even if it's not dangerous from xx meters away and if you're not a smoker etc. etc., it could be that someone feels uncomfortable and would rather avoid being outside that day. I also warned my nearest neighbor about potentially falling branches when we had a large pear tree near the property line taken down. I think it's called consideration, look it up, those of you questioning the original poster.

 

[greenhouse]

Interesting viewpoints in the thread. Very curious about what, for example, Staffan means about the dangers in baby food, but it is very OT, so we'll leave it for now.
We had plans to change our asbestos cement roof (not ourselves) last autumn, and I would absolutely have contacted my closest neighbors and forewarned them in that case. Even if it is not dangerous at xx meters distance and if you're not a smoker, etc., etc., it might be that someone feels uncomfortable and therefore would rather avoid being outside just that day. I warned my closest neighbor about possible falling branches when we had a large pear tree near the property line taken down too. I believe it's called consideration, look it up, those of you questioning ts.

I completely agree with that, Maria, consideration. When you have small children, you are also extra careful to ensure they are not exposed to danger.

 

[MariaiÖstergötland]

I really agree with you, Maria, consideration. When you have small children, you are especially careful that they are not exposed to danger.

Absolutely, I have 3 myself and try every day to keep them alive for one more day.

 

[greenhouse]

That's exactly why it's especially unfortunate that you're focusing on the completely wrong thing, while dismissing real dangers with confusing arguments.

Staffan

We can start a new thread where we list different dangers by mortality rate It’s a completely different discussion.

 

[Pin]

Here you asked for the fifth time (according to yourself), then you have asked a few more times before this thread.

https://www.byggahus.se/forum/threads/asbest-i-pannrum.293000/

It is customary to search in a forum to see if someone else has asked the question before. Now you have already asked the question countless times yourself. You have already answered me on this, but it is the same material and the same worry and the same answers from partly the same forum members, just different applications.

I have two houses between me and the neighbor 80 meters away. In all directions. I would not tell the whole neighborhood if I removed Eternit or something else. I'm also not worried or disturbed by what they do at that distance.

Enjoy the fact that you have a large plot and far to the neighbor. This is absolutely no reason for concern.

 

[Snidarn]

You will not find such a study because studies cost money and no one wants to fund such a study when there are clearly more relevant studies to invest money in. If you want to learn more about health risks from asbestos exposure, I found a page on CDC. It states that asbestos is generally eliminated from the lungs, the problem is when macrophages are overwhelmed by large exposure, especially very large fibers around 15 microns or more. Such large fibers do not spread in the air, you have to have your nose right in the dust to get anything in you at all. Coronavirus droplets are, in comparison, primarily larger than 5 microns (i.e., lighter than asbestos) and hardly spread further than a meter when coughing. Such large particles get stuck in the nasal mucosa's mucus layer, which is then swallowed. In real airborne infections, such as with measles, the particles can be fractions of a micron and spread further as they are too light to fall to the ground.

In summary, one could therefore argue that it is more likely that the old man infected the child with the coronavirus from 80 meters away than a single asbestos fiber made its way into the lung.

I hope the old man used protective equipment, otherwise, he deserves a talking to for that?

QUOTE="greenhouse, post: 3708020, member: 148274"]I have read the thread and there are many good points. I understand very well that the risk is directly linked to the degree of exposure. What I want to know is more about experiences and the like regarding how much dust is released when you take down an asbestos roof. THAT dust is released we know. The question is how much and how dangerous it is 80 meters away.

Just because it is extremely dangerous to skydive without a parachute does not mean all other risks and dangers are worth taking. Anxiety about things is seldom based on exact statistics. For example, people almost worry themselves to death about the Coronavirus even though it is very unlikely that they will die from it. Comparing asbestos exposure to carrying your own child is just irrelevant.

That said, let's keep it civil. I don't want to get into the "my grandfather ate asbestos for breakfast and lived to 92" discussion as it is fruitless.[/QUOTE]

 

[thomas33]

The danger might be closer than you think!
Traces of asbestos in baby powder!
https://www.svd.se/spar-av-asbest-i-babypuder--aterkallas

So, the neighbor's roof demolition a bit further away is not what makes it more dangerous.

 

[greenhouse]

The danger might be closer than you think!
Traces of asbestos in baby powder!
[link]

So the neighbor's roof demolition nearby doesn't make it any more dangerous.

That's the reason I don't use baby powder.

 

[harry73]

I think the OP is getting undeserved criticism here. The OP was unsure and wanted to know if it was dangerous, preferably serious answers from people who work with asbestos remediation.
In that case, answers from the usual crowd who ridicule everyone asking about asbestos might not be the most reassuring responses.
The comparison with sugar is downright ridiculous. Sure, it's harmful in larger doses, but absolutely not in small doses.
For asbestos, there are no safe doses.
And comparing asbestos with viruses is not relevant either. Asbestos is everywhere in the world's atmosphere, so it should be proven that fibers can remain in the air for an extremely long time.

 

[Demmpa]

Everything is lethal in the wrong doses, even plain drinking water is deadly in the wrong amount. Less than ten years ago, there was a young girl who died because she drank too much water. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/flicka-drack-for-mycket-vatten-dog

A few years earlier, a mother of three died due to excessive water intake, https://www.svd.se/kvinna-dog-av-vattenforgiftning-efter-radiotavling

Even salt is both essential and harmful (deadly), https://www.ica.se/halsa/artiklar/detta-gor-saltet-med-din-kropp/

 

[Snailman]

My father helped a neighbor in the next block to put asbestos-cement panels on his house facade, he also had asbestos-cement panels as wind protection around the patio at our house, he was probably in his 40s then, and when he passed away 50 years later it wasn't due to any asbestos.

Just thought I'd share a real-life example.

 

[TheGame]

There is nothing to worry about.
I did exactly like your neighbor.
Took down my old eternittak, went well and no neighbors cared.

 

[Trunk]

The old man who is 74 probably won't die from it, but my son and I are young enough to possibly suffer the consequences in 20 years.

That's where I have to protest. If, against all odds, any of you three suffer or die from asbestos, it would be the old man since there is a much greater risk that he has been exposed more during his life than both of you will be together.

Him tearing down a roof 80 meters from you should logically have no impact on your well-being, as already mentioned.

The hysteria over asbestos is an internet phenomenon created by hysterical and uninformed people spreading their misconceptions wildly.

It is indeed true that some are admittedly a bit too hysterical when it comes to asbestos, but on the other side of the coin, there are those who downplay the risks. Asbestos is deadly, there's no denying that. But as mentioned, in this and many other cases, there is nothing to worry about.

Great response! This is the kind of thing I'm looking for. Facts from (albeit via proxy) professionals in a similar situation.

Not to be dry, but if the fifty-eleven responses saying the same thing weren't enough, you could have gotten the same reassuring answer with a Google search. Then you would also know where the claim came from, instead of, as in this case, having no idea. Just because someone appears knowledgeable doesn't mean you shouldn't take what is written on a forum with a big grain of salt.

No, different questions/material. Of course, I'm anxious when it comes to asbestos. I won't deny that.

I read in one of your ten started threads about asbestos. There, you had called a craftsman to ask what safety measures he took when drilling three holes in eternit. Ten years earlier...

Who knows what's in the other threads.

I say this with the best intentions; "anxious" is not the right word to use in your case.

Comparing asbestos with sugar is just plain childish.

Childish or not, I leave unsaid, but it's a good example of things that are significantly more dangerous than asbestos and which TS probably still doesn't show the same respect towards as with asbestos.

Now, I'm of course guessing until my face turns blue, but sugar leads to thousands of times more suffering and death today than asbestos does. Maybe even an order of magnitude or three more.

But yes, sticking your face in asbestos fibers and taking a few deep breaths is, of course, more dangerous than consuming a few deciliters of sugar. But that's probably not what the person meant.

Then responses from the standard mob who ridicule anyone asking about asbestos may not be the most reassuring.

However, in this case, nearly all responses had as good a tone as they were reassuring. Some even had grounds for reassuring the TS. So the mob that ridicules everyone asking about asbestos seems to stay away from this thread. There are, of course, one or two that you might call dry with a little effort; nowadays, I might belong to that category myself, but we are a significant minority.

And most who show a lack of patience also do so first when TS is mildly unwilling to take in the information conveyed.

 

[kulle]

That's why I don't use baby powder.

Not for your child either?