The neighbor is tearing down an asbestos cement roof!

[kvirre]

@kvirre from which website is the text taken?

I found a site that has more or less the exact same text, it's a remediation company,
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I can only find one municipality where asbestos remediation must be reported to the municipality, and that's Lomma.

Yes, it was that site that provided a summary that sounded good.
Then it may certainly vary in different municipalities. What can also differ is where you can dispose of the waste and what it costs. My own recycling station accepts "a maximum of three kilos" from private individuals. If you have more, you have to go to specific places and pay. I had to do this myself. It was a number of years ago, but even then there were limits on the amount. Had to pack it in plastic buckets with lids and drive to a place where they handled hazardous waste.

 

[polaris78]

At some waste stations, it is free to leave asbestos well wrapped in plastic as long as you are a private individual.

Perhaps better this than it being buried or dumped in other ways.

 

[kvirre]

Hello
We might be straying from the original question, but it might still be of interest to the questioner what the person doing the demolishing plans to do with the remains in the long term, and maybe they can ask that question.
What you are allowed to leave and where you can leave it obviously depends on where you live.
My dad was probably comparable to a "74-year-old gubbe" and probably didn't want to deal with the hassle or cost of handling the waste. Here, in Sollentuna, the limit is apparently (nowadays) 3 kg that you can leave for free. I assume that this cap, as described by the questioner, likely generates a larger amount of waste, and that both transport and possible costs can then affect where the waste ends up.

 

[greenhouse]

Hello
We may be moving away from the original question, but it may still be of interest to the questioner what the person doing the demolition plans to do with the remains in the long run and perhaps can ask that question.
What you are allowed to leave and where you can leave it obviously depends on where you live.
My dad was probably comparable to a "74-year-old man" and probably didn't want to take either the trouble or the cost of dealing with the waste. Here, in Sollentuna, the limitation is apparently (nowadays) 3 kg that you can leave for free. I assume that this limit, which the questioner describes, likely generates a larger amount of waste and that both transport and any costs can affect where the waste ends up.

Hello Kvirre!

Totally fine to leave the original question, it's been left far behind by now anyway. I must say, I think the guy will wrap it up and drive to the local recycling center. So, completely right of him. I wrote the original question in a fit of emotion, so sure, maybe it was somewhat blunt. He's probably handled it as well as most private individuals do and maybe it wouldn't have been done better by a company. However, I still think it would have been good etiquette to inform us neighbors before he started the job.

 

[Maledictus]

However, I still think it would have been good etiquette to inform us neighbors before he started the job.

Why? If it's clearly handled in the right way and there's no danger, then it has nothing to do with you at all?

Should you report if you pass by on the road and maybe happen to release some exhaust fumes? Call and say that you're going to repaint the house and since paint is considered hazardous waste, it's good for the neighbor to be aware of the situation? Relax a bit, okay...

 

[Nisse Hammer]

Just want to point out that it's not just homosexual injection drug users who can get AIDS, but actually anyone.
And being afraid of snakes is the most logical thing there is.

No, it is not logical to be afraid of snakes; logic says that in Sweden it is almost "impossible" to die from a snake bite. The only venomous snake living freely is the adder, which most Swedes never encounter during their lifetime, and each year only 300 people are bitten, with 70 people needing hospital care. The mortality rate is as low as 1-2 per thousand, and that figure is declining. The death rate is "a few deaths each decade" according to internetmedicin.se. I don't want to scare you, but annually 1-2 people in Sweden die from wasp stings, in 2018, 325 people died in traffic, and about 23,000 people from cancer, so if you insist on being afraid, there are much worse things than snakes to be afraid of. There is therapy to overcome fear that is unjustified or exaggerated. Good luck.

 

[Pin]

No, it is not logical to be afraid of snakes; logic says that in Sweden it is almost "impossible" to die from a snakebite. The only venomous snake that lives freely is the viper, which most Swedes never encounter during their lifetime, and each year only 300 people are bitten, and 70 people require hospital care. The mortality rate is as low as 1-2 per thousand, and that number is decreasing. According to internetmedicin.se, the death rate is "a single death every decade." I don't want to scare you, but annually, 1-2 people in Sweden die from wasp stings, 325 people died in traffic accidents in 2018, and over 92,000 people from cancer, so if you must be afraid, there are far worse things than snakes to be afraid of. There is therapy to overcome fear that is unwarranted or exaggerated. Good luck.

Well, that is a good question. Fears are rarely logical, unfortunately. If they were, no one would smoke or ride in cars.

It wasn't 92,000 from cancer; that is the total death toll for a year. Perhaps 25,000 die from tumors, but still a large number in context.

I think it is rational to be afraid of snakes. Not afraid that they will show up in bed or in breakfast cereal, but if you actually see a snake. The risk of being bitten then increases significantly compared to any other situation, such as in the bedroom or at breakfast. Not everything you fear has to be directly lethal, like the asbestos roofing that this thread is about.
(maybe respect is a better word than fear, to not go up and poke the snake on the nose)

 

[Kirre2]

No, it's not logical to be afraid of snakes, the logic says that in Sweden it is almost "impossible" to die from a snakebite. The only free-living snake that is poisonous is the viper, which most Swedes never encounter during their lifetime, and each year only 300 people get bitten, and 70 people need hospital care. The mortality rate is as low as 1-2 per thousand, and that number is decreasing. The death rate is "a few deaths each decade" according to internetmedicin.se. I don't want to scare you but annually 1-2 people in Sweden die from wasp stings, in 2018 325 people died in traffic, and over 92,000 people from cancer, so if you absolutely must be afraid, there are much worse things than snakes to be afraid of. There is therapy to overcome fear that is unjustified or exaggerated. Good luck.

I've encountered a number of vipers and I assume I've lived maybe 2/3 of my life, so there might be more.
I know more people die from wasp stings than snakebites, but I'm not afraid of wasps anyway. However, I do find snakes unpleasant.
Fear of snakes is inherited, I heard somewhere, even infants react to snakes. It probably helped us survive.
You don't need to amateur psychoanalyze me, I'm not overly afraid of anything, except maybe becoming really old...

 

[Nisse Hammer]

92,000 didn't die from cancer, that is the total death toll for a year. Maybe 25,000 die from tumors, but naturally still a large number in the context.

I think it's rational to be afraid of snakes. Not afraid that they'll show up in bed or in the breakfast cereal, but if you actually see a snake. Then the risk of being bitten increases significantly compared to any other occasion, such as in the bedroom or during breakfast. Not everything you're afraid of has to be directly lethal, like asbestos roofs which the thread is about.
(maybe respect is a better word than fear, to not go up and poke the snake on the nose)

My mistake, as you say, a total of 92,000 people died in 2018, about 25% of them from cancer, which amounts to approximately 23,000 people. As you yourself say, show respect for snakes, but being afraid is not rational. Poking them on the nose is downright stupid, which unfortunately many dogs do, leading to many dogs getting bitten on the nose annually, but if you're not as dumb as a dog, you therefore run a minimal risk of being bitten by a viper. Asbestos roofs are NOT "directly lethal."

 

[jerhed]

But comparing asbestos with baby food or gravel roads is just directly wrong and uninformed. As far as I know, baby food is legal and so are gravel roads. Asbestos is banned because it causes serious diseases for those who inhale it (to varying degrees). The man who is 74 will not die from it, but my son and I are probably young enough to potentially suffer the consequences in 20 years.

Your son probably won't die from asbestos. Inhaled asbestos will remain in the lungs forever, but here the risk seems negligible. The food your son gets while growing up is a significant risk factor whether it's legal or not. Read up on the dangers of sugar and processed foods and compare them with death rates from COVID-19 or asbestos, and you'll change your mind.

After all, the fibers found in Eternit are relatively large and don't fly around much. To check if there is asbestos in these panels, you can try breaking off a small piece and holding the protruding fibers under a flame. If they glow and aren't consumed, it's asbestos; otherwise, it could be other fibers like cellulose or palm fiber.

Hope it went well for you and your son and that you didn't inhale any fibers!

 

[Magnolium]

It's a matter of good manners, he is indeed a 74-year-old gubbe. I didn't call him a 45-year-old transgender. That would be factually incorrect. Whether or not it is relevant, no, of course not. But now the Byggahus experts have dissected my original question down to the last word. What is your goal with that other than to throw dirt? If you think the thread is idiotic, don't write in it.

It would be easier to listen to your tips and advice if you weren't simultaneously looking for the smallest detail to demonstrate your "competence."

The problem is that you don't seem to understand that calling someone a gubbe is rude. Words are tied to their context, and the fact that you don't understand that this word is derogatory is sad. Good manners include describing people in a respectful way.

 

[Staffans2000]

It would be easier to listen to your tips and advice if you weren't simultaneously looking for the slightest detail to demonstrate your "competence"

Page after page, you have received consistent and relevant advice. Only after you repeatedly mocked your own excellence and our irrelevant responses did some people get a little annoyed. Despite that, we continued to give advice. If you do not "listen" to the overwhelming majority's advice, it is not because you can't. It is because you don't want to!

Staffan

 

[larsson r]

Hi
I think it sounds like the person in question hasn't fully read up on how things should be done. They might need to be informed about how the work should be carried out.
Clipped from the internet:

Handling of asbestos
Private individuals can handle asbestos-containing material in their own homes, but they should be knowledgeable about how to avoid health risks. During demolition, asbestos can be broken down into asbestos dust which can cause lung damage.

The most important thing when dealing with asbestos is to avoid dusting. For example, washing of asbestos cement roofs should not be done with a high-pressure washer. There is a risk that asbestos fibers will spread to the surroundings.

Remediation and notification
If you are going to remediate your building from asbestos, you must notify the environmental office in your home municipality first, then you will receive a decision regarding precautionary measures.

Asbestos waste
Asbestos is hazardous waste and should be well-packed and labeled clearly indicating that it contains asbestos. Asbestos waste should be transported in a way that prevents dusting. Depending on the volume, plastic bags that are taped shut can be used. Label the asbestos-containing packages with the warning text: ASBESTOS

What should you consider if you are going to remediate yourself?

• Use a mask with a P3 filter
• Use a decontamination overall with a hood
• Use tight-fitting gloves
• Preferably avoid remediation indoors. Remember that the small asbestos fibers can remain in the air for a long time and spread via clothes to other parts of the house.
• Neighbors should not be exposed to asbestos dust. Water the material if necessary to reduce dusting.
• Asbestos cement sheets: Carefully take them down and avoid breaking them to minimize dusting.
• Pack the material in sealed plastic bags and label the bags: ASBESTOS.
  Check with your local recycling center to see if they accept it.

Otherwise, you can bury it.

 

[Daos69]

The question is obviously answered as far as it can be, so why not lock the thread?

because forums like these survive on a bunch of nonsense posts (like this one), they love it. if you were to clean out all the rubbish and keep only sensible & valuable information, there wouldn't be much left. but the whole forum would've been enormously more interesting.

 

[4integration]

Wondering if TS has been in Corona quarantine for too long and is experiencing boredom and lack of debate