The neighbor is tearing down an asbestos cement roof!

[Ramnemark]

The thread can continue if someone wants to add something on the topic. Otherwise, it can be closed. The asbestos enthusiasts can move on to the next asbestos thread and tell stories about their asbestos-consuming 94-year-old grandfather

The only one with a bad attitude is you. You call everyone who doesn't agree with you an asbestos enthusiast. You started the mudslinging. If you had been willing to accept information and calm down when the risk was explained, this thread would never have started as you already received the answers in previous threads. Maybe it's time for a moderator to lock the thread and possibly put a block so you can't start new asbestos threads.

One should have respect for asbestos, but there is no need to be hypochondriacal about it....

 

[Ramnemark]

@Qunaki source on that, please!

I thought everyone knew that today. Former Soviet still going strong

 

[Kirre2]

Good question, I don't seem to be alone in this fear though.

It probably stems from asbestos's insidious danger and the small doses needed to be at risk. Like all fears, it is not logical. In the 80s and 90s, people were afraid of getting AIDS even though they weren't homosexual intravenous drug users. It's not logical to be afraid of spiders or snakes either, but people are. Very seldom are we afraid of statistically significant dangers.

Just want to point out that it's not only homosexual intravenous drug users who can get AIDS, but actually anyone.
And being afraid of snakes is probably the most logical thing there is.

 

[CookieBe]

I have read the thread and there are many good points. I very well understand that the risk is directly linked to the degree of exposure. What I want to know is rather experiences and such about how much dust is released when removing asbestos roofing. THAT it is released, we know. The question is how much and how dangerous it is 80 meters away.

Just because it is extremely dangerous to skydive without a parachute, it does not mean all other risks and dangers are worth exposing oneself to. Worry about things is rarely based on exact statistics. For example, people worry almost to death about the Coronavirus even though it is very unlikely that they will die from it. Comparing asbestos exposure to carrying your own child is just irrelevant.

With that said, let's keep a good tone. I do not want to get into the "my grandfather ate asbestos for breakfast and he was 92" discussion because it is fruitless.

Well answered, of course, you should be careful with your child, that is your duty as a parent! Asbestos removal workers dress in protective gear from head to toe to remove a few centimeters of insulation around pipes. Laxity towards Corona as shown here is too foolish, people die or become very seriously ill for weeks, most want to avoid that, or...

 

[kvirre]

Hello
I think it sounds like the person in question hasn't fully understood how one should proceed. They may need to be informed about how the work should be carried out.
Clipped from the internet:

Handling of Asbestos
Private individuals are allowed to handle asbestos-containing material in their own house, but they should know how to do it to avoid health risks. During demolition, asbestos can be broken down into asbestos dust that can damage the lungs.

The most important thing when handling asbestos is to avoid dusting. For example, washing of fiber cement roofs should not be done with a pressure washer. There is a risk that asbestos fibers may spread to the surroundings.

Decontamination and Notification
If you are going to decontaminate your building from asbestos, you must first report this to the environmental office in your home municipality, then you will receive a decision on precautionary measures.

Asbestos Waste
Asbestos is hazardous waste and should be well-packaged and labeled to clearly indicate that it contains asbestos. The asbestos waste should be transported in a way that prevents dusting. Depending on the volume, plastic bags that are taped shut can be used. Label the asbestos-containing packaging with the warning text: ASBESTOS

What should you consider if you are going to decontaminate yourself?

• Use a mask with P3 filter
• Use a decontamination overall with a hood
• Use tightly sealed gloves
• Preferably avoid decontaminating indoors. Remember that the small asbestos fibers can remain in the air for a long time and spread via clothing to other parts of the house.
• Neighbors should not be exposed to asbestos dust. Wet the material as needed to reduce dusting.
• Fiber cement boards: Carefully remove them and avoid breaking them to prevent dusting.
• Pack material in tight plastic bags and label the bags: ASBESTOS.
  Check with your local recycling center if you can leave it with them.

 

[Stuff]

Clipped from the internet:

A bit more specific is unfortunately required in the source.

Regardless, the guidelines seem reasonable. Moreover, I don't think the neighbor has failed that much. If he is careless with personal protective equipment, he mostly has himself to blame.
the point
"Neighbors should not be exposed to asbestos dust. Wet the material if necessary to reduce dusting."
I think he has fulfilled well with careful handling and 80 m safety distance. No need for wetting.

 

[Kirre2]

Hello I might think it sounds like the person in question hasn't fully read up on how one should proceed. They may need to be informed about how the work should be carried out Clipped from the internet:

Handling Asbestos Private individuals are allowed to handle asbestos-containing material on their own house, but they need to have knowledge about how to avoid health damage. During demolition, asbestos can disintegrate into asbestos dust which can cause lung damage.

The most important aspect when handling asbestos is to avoid dusting. For example, washing asbestos-cement roofs should not be done with a high-pressure washer. There is a risk that asbestos fibers may spread to the surrounding environment.

Remediation and Notification If you are going to remediate your building from asbestos, you must report this to the environmental office in your home municipality first, and then you will receive a decision on precautions.

Asbestos Waste Asbestos is hazardous waste and must be well-packaged and labeled clearly to indicate that it contains asbestos. The asbestos waste should be transported in a manner that prevents dusting. Depending on the volume, plastic bags that are tightly sealed with tape can be used. Label the asbestos-containing packages with the warning text: ASBESTOS

What should you consider if you are going to remediate yourself?

• Use a mask with a P3 filter
• Use a protective suit with a hood
• Use tightly sealing gloves
• Preferably avoid remediating indoors. Keep in mind that the small asbestos fibers can remain in the air for a long time and spread through clothes to other parts of the house.
• Neighbors should not be exposed to asbestos dust. Moisten the material if necessary to reduce dusting.
• Asbestos-cement panels: Carefully remove them and avoid breaking them to prevent dusting.
• Pack the material in tight plastic bags and label the bags: ASBESTOS. Check with your local recycling center if they accept them.

Here finally comes the answer the TS has been waiting for!

 

[MatsR59]

It is interesting with these question threads, if the questioner does not get the answer they would prefer, the argumentation for and against can continue indefinitely without anything substantial being added....

 

[kvirre]

Hello
My post was more intended to point out that if one, so to speak, does it right, it should be okay to perform the work in this way. BUT that one then needs to do it the right way. For example, I thought I saw in the original post that the waste was not wrapped in plastic. If it then ends up lying on a pallet somewhere year after year, the degradation of the cement in the material continues, and the fibers can be released over time. This could be considered inappropriate for neighbors nearby!

 

[Demmpa]

@kvirre from which website is the text taken?

Found a website that has more or less the exact same text, it's a sanitation company,
https://sanering-asbest.se/vad-kan-man-göra-själv

Only find one municipality where asbestos sanitation must be reported to the municipality, and it's Lomma.

 

[useless]

Cleaning and notification
If you are going to clean your building from asbestos, you must first notify the environmental office in your home municipality, thereafter you will receive a decision on precautionary measures.

Please provide a source that a private person must notify the municipality before cleaning asbestos.

 

[polaris78]

Hi
My post was more intended to point out that if one, so to speak, does it right, it should be okay to carry out the work in this way. BUT then you need to do it the right way. For example, I thought I saw in the original post that the waste was not covered with plastic. If it is left on a pallet somewhere year after year, the decomposition of the cement in the material continues and the fibers can be released gradually. This could be considered unsuitable for neighbors nearby!

On the other hand, the same decomposition occurs with the tiles on the roof as well, so that argument seems to fall away for me at least. You are still allowed to have them on the roof as long as you don't tamper with them... it's not illegal to have an eternit roof. And if they are on a pallet on the ground, the risk of fiber spreading should reasonably be lower than when they are on the roof. So I would also cover them with plastic on the ground any day of the week.

 

[Demmpa]

Hello My post was more intended to point out that if you, so to speak, do it right, it should be okay to perform the work in this way. BUT you need to do it the right way. For example, I thought I saw in the original post that the waste was not wrapped in plastic. If it then ends up lying on a pallet somewhere year after year, the breakdown of the cement in the material continues, and the fibers can gradually be released. This can be considered unsuitable for nearby neighbors!

As I understand the OP's first post, the neighbor is not finished with the dismantling yet but is in the process of taking down the roof tiles.

Are more fibers released from eternit tiles stacked on top of each other on a pallet than when they are mounted on the roof?

Edit:
As a private individual, you are allowed to reinstall temporarily removed eternit tiles.
https://www.av.se/produktion-industri-och-logistik/asbest/privatpersoners-hantering-av-asbest/
“For example, eternit sheets can remain on the house until they are taken out of use during, for example, demolition or replacement of facade material. It is also allowed to reinstall temporarily removed eternit sheets.”

 

[Argastesnickaren]

Hello
My post was more intended to point out that if you do it the right way, it should be okay to perform the work in this manner. BUT you need to do it the right way. For example, I thought I saw in the original post that the waste was not wrapped in plastic. If it is left on a pallet somewhere year after year, the decomposition of the cement in the material will continue, and fibers can be released over time. This may be considered inappropriate for nearby neighbors!

So if you stack the tiles in a pile, the neighbors might be bothered by the decomposition of the cement (even though there must be less exposed surface area) compared to if the tiles are spread out over the entire roof?

 

[kvirre]

I can't say I'm sure it's faster when they are stored rather than on the roof. It probably depends on how they are stored. A compact stack that is protected is certainly a good storage method. I just know that my dad had taken down asbestos sheets and hadn't disposed of them when this was done. When I eventually inherited the summer cottage, the pile was still there and mostly resembled a pile of gravel, as the sheets had apparently frozen and broken apart, especially where they had been in contact with the ground. It was not entirely easy to take care of that mess!