Grab the popcorn, TS stopped responding at 09:36 but still can't take criticism?
Here's the thing, if the building where the staircase is located were a single or multi-family home, it should be reported to the municipality if a staircase is being built, now we can assume that is not the case.
The municipality, in turn, will make an assessment on whether they believe an engineer's opinion is necessary or not.
They will likely want to see a simple sketch/drawing and list of material choices, etc., etc.
If I were a building permit officer, in this case, it wouldn't be enough for TS to insist that they have worked in the construction industry and "know a thing or two" about stairs. I would get a bad gut feeling and thus make it easier for myself, for the following reasons, and require TS to hire an engineer.
The engineer, in turn, would likely criticize the idea and propose an expensive solution that TS, in turn, doesn't want to pay for, thereby opting to build a more "normal" staircase, maybe with three stringers, thicker steps, and of better durability quality, etc., etc.
Why does the building committee want to mess with TS? Even though they repeatedly point out that they are certainly not stupid or inexperienced, etc., etc.
Well, let's imagine that TS ignores reporting the staircase to the municipality because why should they ruin TS's plans with the fantastic idea of a floating staircase made of free materials lying around in the outhouse?
Perhaps TS receives a visit from someone, let's say little Lisa, 5 years old, who thinks it's incredibly fun to run up and down this staircase when TS goes to the bathroom.
When TS comes back, having cleaned themselves, Lisa is lying in a heap of wood and metal, impaled through the abdomen in a pool of blood.
The ambulance is soon on its way, but then TS realizes that it might not be a good idea, they probably contact the police and, in turn, the police would likely contact the municipality to ask if TS sought a building permit or application for this staircase that ended little Lisa's life.
It all ends with TS behind bars for a couple of years, and why, why did no one on the forum stop TS from this madness in time?
No, offering criticism makes thread creators sad and causes them lifelong psychological trauma.
Perhaps it's better for little Lisa to pay with her life, regardless TS will certainly convince the police that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the staircase!!
Get the popcorn out, TS stopped responding at 09:36 but still can't take criticism?
The thing is, if the building where the staircase is located was a single-family or multi-family house, it should be reported to the municipality if you are building a staircase, now we can assume that's not the case.
The municipality in turn will make an assessment whether they think a structural engineer's opinion is required or not.
They would probably want to see a simple sketch/drawing and list of material choices, etc., etc.
If I were a building permit officer, in this case it would not be enough for TS to insist that they have worked in the construction industry and know "a thing or two" about stairs. I would have a bad gut feeling and thereby make it easiest for myself, for the following reasons, and require that TS hire a structural engineer.
The structural engineer in turn would have dismissed the idea and probably suggested a very expensive solution that TS in turn wouldn't want to pay for and therefore chooses to build a more "normal" staircase, perhaps with three stringers, thicker steps, and of better durability quality, etc., etc.
So why does the building department want to mess with TS? Even though they repeatedly point out that they're definitely not stupid or inexperienced, etc., etc.
Let's imagine that TS decides not to report the staircase to the municipality because why should they ruin TS's plans with the fantastic idea of a floating staircase made from free materials lying around the shed?
TS maybe gets a visit from someone, let's say little Lisa, 5 years old, who thinks it's terribly fun to run up and down this staircase while TS goes to the bathroom.
When TS has wiped and returns, Lisa is found in a heap of wood and metal, pierced through the abdomen in a pool of blood.
The ambulance is on its way soon, but then TS realizes that maybe it's not a good idea, they probably contact the police and the police probably in turn contact the municipality and ask if TS has applied for a building permit or notification for this staircase that has caused little Lisa's death.
It all ends with TS behind bars for a few years and why didn't anyone on the forum stop TS from this madness in time?
No, criticizing makes thread creators sad and they get psychological scars for life.
Maybe it's still better that little Lisa pays with her life, regardless TS will convince the police that there was at least F*N nothing wrong with the staircase!!
Hi Patrik. You are now reported for your behavior. Despite me asking you to stop, you don't understand and respect my choices and repeatedly paint me as an idiot. What you just wrote goes beyond my limits of decency. Hope you encounter some mishap and a moment of reflection. I can't understand people like you and fewer of them on the forum would be a good deed. Have a good life!
Fun thread to read and as far as I'm concerned, TS can have whatever stairs he wants... but he only has himself to blame for asking the question the way he did in a construction forum...
it would have been just to glue the step together... If it holds, it works, otherwise replace with a new one
Fun thread to read and in my opinion, the original poster can have whatever stairs he wants... but he has only himself to blame for asking the question the way he did in a building forum...
He could have just glued the step together... If it holds, it works, otherwise replace it with a new one.
Well, you know. I knew I was going to try gluing but just wanted to check if there might be a better wood glue than the standard kind. Then someone wanted to see the crack, so I took a picture. Then all hell broke loose. I've said it before and I'll say it again, a large part of the population doesn't seem mature enough to handle social media
Hi Patrik. You are now reported for your behavior. Despite asking you to stop, you don't understand or respect my choices and repeatedly portray me as an idiot. What you wrote now crosses my line of decency. I hope you encounter some kind of trouble and have a moment of reflection. I don't understand people like you and fewer of them on the forum would be a blessing. Have a good life!
Your double standards are comical.
Reported for what?
That I have different opinions than you?
There is no designer who shares your views?
If you have a certificate for the staircase from the building office, you can post a copy here.
My comments are relevant regarding the construction of your staircase and it's hardly just you who should conduct a monologue here, especially considering several inaccuracies you mention that could inspire others to make the same mistakes.
I respect your choices and that's why I think you should stand by them like a man, without making things up.
Understand your choices, how can I when I believe they are incorrect??
You don't convince me.
I have no aggression against you if you think so, yet you now come with threats?
Do you believe that an example like the above portrays you as an idiot?
There are many people who daily endanger others without thinking or caring.
For that reason, there are laws and regulations, hence it is interesting to see if your build fulfills these?
We wouldn't have needed to take it to the extreme if you had just heeded more experienced opinions, which you ignore
Fun thread to read and as far as I'm concerned, TS can have whatever stairs he wants… but he has only himself to blame for asking the question he did on a construction forum…...
it would have just been a matter of gluing the step together…. If it holds, then it works, otherwise replace it with a new one
As far as I'm concerned, TS can also have his stairs; I haven't said anything else either, but I have pointed out a number of flaws that impact durability.
Then, it doesn't matter what you, I, or TS think if it's the building department that decides how a staircase should look, which I'm pretty sure they want if you ask them, and if you haven't asked, it might be classified as an unauthorized construction. Therefore, more information would be interesting.
My example was just a "worst-case scenario" with a wink.
Now, I couldn't know that TS's daughter/granddaughter is named Lisa or that TS feels billed as an idiot for occasionally going to the bathroom.
Otherwise, have I missed where the aggression is coming from?
The grain direction of the wood is wrong.
Buy a cheap wooden countertop with longitudinal grain, cut steps across it with the desired depth. That won't break.
The steps seem to be at least 70-80 cm wide. Where do you find a cheap plank in that width?
The steps seem to be at least 70-80 cm wide. Where do you find a cheap plank at that width?
Spot on! The board (it isn't a plank) is mounted lengthwise. As I mentioned earlier, there are countertop panels, edge-glued shelves, and similar.
Or if you enjoy carpentry, the best solution is to cross-laminate two panels, then you get strength in both directions. If you're bold, you can add a layer at 45 degrees as well.
Since when did the building office start issuing certificates for stairs?
I can't answer that, as they determine building notifications/permits on a case-by-case basis. There are probably many stairs that have fallen between the cracks, and there are also many constructions where they require engineers. In a municipality that concerns me, they require this for example when building an upper floor, which is usually common in cases with stairs. Therefore, the staircase is included in the application. Or am I wrong?
Normally, an engineer looks at normal load; regarding vehicles, a passenger is considered at 70kg, so we say it should handle this and 5 times as much, which is a common safety margin. That becomes 350kg. You must therefore assume that the staircase will never be loaded with more weight; hence, it should handle 3 people of 115kg standing in it simultaneously.
You must also assume that this load should be handled within an area equivalent to a sole and across the entire tread area. A foot is quite small.
I find it hard to see that this stair can handle a 350kg foot at the edge of the step, and for that reason, I don't think an engineer has approved the construction. Hence, neither has the municipality, if they required a statement, which I therefore assume they have not. That is why I wrote that it is probably not placed in a single or multi-family house.
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