If a wall is to be built approximately 70-80 cm wide, is it okay to skip the cc-600 rule (and the rule!) and only have the outer studs on the edges?

There will be OSB behind.
 
Mikael_L
That depends on what the wall is for, how thick the OSB you plan to use is, and what it will be covered with, etc.

For instance, if it's going to be tiled, the substrate must be thoroughly free of flex to prevent the grout from cracking, and therefore 11mm OSB is not suitable. Furthermore, OSB is generally not suitable behind tiles due to its relatively large movement. And behind tiles in wet rooms, it's "forbidden" according to BKR's wet room regulations. So perhaps tiles were a bad example. ;)

But give us a bit more to go on. An exterior wall? An "important" wall? Is there going to be drywall on the OSB?
 
Yes, oops, I seem to have forgotten a bit there. It's an interior wall in a hallway between two rooms only – probably won't even have anything hanging on it, but putting OSB just in case. On the OSB (11 mm) will be gypsum (13 mm). Then a wainscoting will be installed, and some sections will be painted and some sections wallpapered.
 
Mikael_L
It feels like that will be sufficiently stable even with cc800.

Things I can think of off the top of my head that you might need that extra beam for are:
If the board joint comes there.
If you need a beam to attach an electrical box to (can be solved with a smaller piece of beam as well).
 
C-c 600 is not a law, it's just a convention. You can naturally both exceed or fall short of that measurement if it works better.
 
But why take a chance? Isn't it just a matter of adding an extra rule or is there something preventing it?
 
put a beam in the middle! since you have OSB you can attach the drywall "anywhere" on the OSB board. it's no trouble to screw on an extra middle beam.. or is it?
 
Paul-Staffanstorp
Mikael_L said:
It seems like that would be stable enough even with cc800.

Things I can think of off the top of my head that you might need that extra rule for are:
If the board joint is there.
If you need a rule to set an electrical box against (can be solved with a smaller piece of wood as well).
I find it hard to see why you would need a joint if the wall is supposed to be 7-800mm wide. :rolleyes:
Also hard to understand why you would place a possible box in the middle of the wall. :rolleyes:

;);)
 
Mikael_L
Paul-Staffanstorp said:
I have a hard time seeing why you need a joint if the wall is supposed to be 7-800mm wide. :rolleyes:
I absolutely have no problem seeing when it’s needed.
If the framed wall ends there with a half sheet or something like that as the last piece, then there would be a sheet joint there.
I’m not entirely clear on what the original poster means, but it could be a wall, where 800mm remains after the doorway.

But based on the original poster’s question, it shouldn’t be the case, but best to mention it anyway.

Where the original poster wants wall outlets, data outlets and such, we obviously have no idea, but now the original poster knows that they might need something to attach it to.

Personally, I’ve sometimes forgotten important little things which resulted in extra work. But I'm just a poor amateur.
 
I agree with meckis, put a stud in the middle and it will be stable and good. I see no reason to skimp on the number of studs. You never know what you might "need" the wall for in 3, 5, or 10 years, so it's best to do it properly from the start.
 
I would just add the rule there because it's "supposed" to be cc60, but if the wall only ends up being 70 in total, I see absolutely no reason why it is actually needed.
 
Paul-Staffanstorp
Mikael_L said:
I have absolutely no problem seeing when it is necessary.
If the partition wall ends with a half sheet or something like that as the last piece, then there will be a seam there.
I don't fully understand how TS means, but it may be a wall where there are 800mm left after the door opening.

But on TS's question, it shouldn’t be the case, but better to mention it anyway.

Where TS wants wall sockets, data sockets and such, we obviously have no idea, but now TS knows that he may need something to attach it to.

I myself have sometimes forgotten important small details that resulted in more work. But I'm just an amateur.
Ok, but you don’t need to take offense…
I have big problems seeing that one needs a seam on a wall that is 7-800mm wide when TS writes as he does…

tobiias said:
If a wall is to be built approximately 70–80 cm wide – is it then okay to skip the cc-600 rule (and the rule!) and just have the outermost studs on the edges?

There will be OSB behind.
Jan-Å said:
I agree with meckis, put a stud in the middle so it becomes stable and good, I see no reason to skimp on the number of studs you never know what you want the wall for in 3, 5 or 10 years so might as well do it properly from the start.
Of course, it's just as easy to put one there as reinforcement if one can be bothered…

mats_o said:
I would just put the stud there because it "should" be cc60 but if the wall only becomes 70 in total, I see absolutely no reason why it is really needed
That's how I interpret it as well since TS writes that the wall should be 7-800mm wide, and then he writes about edges... which for me is more than ONE...
If the wall was an extension of something, then it should only have ONE edge... :rolleyes:
 
Mikael_L
At cc600, single plasterboard is used in normal home environments, which is therefore considered sufficiently stable. With an extra OSB behind it, it certainly provides the same stability up to cc800.
(However, it is just as certain that you cannot have cc1200 with the same stability ;))

So without any specific stability requirements or any other reasons to have a stud there, it can be skipped.
 
Tobilas has probably already finished this wall.
 
I would put a stud in the middle. Then you will have a cc distance of about 400 mm, which is better than 800. Not because anything will happen to the wall, but "it feels better" to put in a stud. In terms of cost, it's about 40 kronor and you know that you have now over-engineered instead of under-engineered. A lovely feeling when you go to bed and think about your wall.
 
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