Lind:
Yes, that was a great question! I've tried to get a handle on this, but it seems difficult here on the forum.
I would like an approximate price per m2 for the following:
Ytong: ?
H+HCelcon: ?
Hebel (German Ytong): ?
Lightweight concrete with insulation (Leca): ?
Prefabricated lightweight concrete full wall (Leca): ?
Palikka: ~1200kr/m2
Pre-fab concrete elements (incl. plaster): ~1040kr/m2 (Sweli)
Best regards, Stefan
Yes, that was a great question! I've tried to get a handle on this, but it seems difficult here on the forum.
I would like an approximate price per m2 for the following:
Ytong: ?
H+HCelcon: ?
Hebel (German Ytong): ?
Lightweight concrete with insulation (Leca): ?
Prefabricated lightweight concrete full wall (Leca): ?
Palikka: ~1200kr/m2
Pre-fab concrete elements (incl. plaster): ~1040kr/m2 (Sweli)
Best regards, Stefan
Hello again!
Asked Webvirke about the price 1200kr/m2 for Palikka's building system and received the following response:
No, Concrete+Plaster+reinforcement costs 800 bucks!!
The price 1200kr/m2 has been calculated as follows:
kr/m2 finished wall, these are 2002 prices:
Concrete 174 kr/m2
Reinforcement 51 kr/m2
Plaster 550 kr/m2
Gypsum 25 kr/m2
Palikka 4.2 pcs per m2 about 400 kr/m2
The major expense is in the plaster.
So now you know!
Best regards, Stefan
Asked Webvirke about the price 1200kr/m2 for Palikka's building system and received the following response:
No, Concrete+Plaster+reinforcement costs 800 bucks!!
The price 1200kr/m2 has been calculated as follows:
kr/m2 finished wall, these are 2002 prices:
Concrete 174 kr/m2
Reinforcement 51 kr/m2
Plaster 550 kr/m2
Gypsum 25 kr/m2
Palikka 4.2 pcs per m2 about 400 kr/m2
The major expense is in the plaster.
So now you know!
Best regards, Stefan
If my calculator works correctly, the cost of the house walls for a 200 sqm two-story house without floor joists or roof is
4 * 10 * 6 * 650 = 156 Kkr for Palikka
4 * 10 * 6 * 550 = 132 Kkr for the plaster
It's not too bad
Stefan: can you check with webvirke what they have in mind for floor joists, if they have a system that fits with Palikka
4 * 10 * 6 * 650 = 156 Kkr for Palikka
4 * 10 * 6 * 550 = 132 Kkr for the plaster
It's not too bad
Stefan: can you check with webvirke what they have in mind for floor joists, if they have a system that fits with Palikka
Posted a question here in the forum a few days ago about an identical building system from Norwegian Sundolitt, kub building system. They have a good description on their website, www.sundolitt.se, on how to build and make openings for windows, etc. You can find the building system by searching for kub or in the product guide under other. There is the work description in PDF format.
Sundolitt seems significantly more serious as a supplier than the people behind Palikka who keep talking about plagiarism. Are they afraid of competition?
I am personally drawn to this system for building a basement, as you don't need to plaster as much on the outside compared to if you want to build the entire house with these building blocks.
It would be interesting to compare this Norwegian system in terms of price with the Finnish one!
Regards Knasen
Sundolitt seems significantly more serious as a supplier than the people behind Palikka who keep talking about plagiarism. Are they afraid of competition?
I am personally drawn to this system for building a basement, as you don't need to plaster as much on the outside compared to if you want to build the entire house with these building blocks.
It would be interesting to compare this Norwegian system in terms of price with the Finnish one!
Regards Knasen
http://www.webvirke.com/ has updated its website and there is a bit more to read there, in Swedish.
It's "a bit" prettier than the Finnish one but I still don't think you should buy a house based on how their website looks ;D
One of the disadvantages of the Norwegian system, as I see it, is that it needs supports on the sides with reinforcing bars sticking out and also metal brackets between each row. It doesn't seem necessary with the Finnish one. Has anyone else interpreted it differently?
The systems are probably equivalent, and it mostly comes down to price and contractors.
It's "a bit" prettier than the Finnish one but I still don't think you should buy a house based on how their website looks ;D
One of the disadvantages of the Norwegian system, as I see it, is that it needs supports on the sides with reinforcing bars sticking out and also metal brackets between each row. It doesn't seem necessary with the Finnish one. Has anyone else interpreted it differently?
The systems are probably equivalent, and it mostly comes down to price and contractors.
The metal strips between each row are just there so you have something to screw the internal gypsum into. The Finnish system assumes that you glue up the gypsum board. The supports are there to ensure the wall is straight. I'm not sure how secure the Finnish construction is, but when concrete is poured into something, it needs to be steady to prevent things from shifting.
Otherwise, both systems are something I could consider building with.
Otherwise, both systems are something I could consider building with.
I don't think they glue up the board in Finland, do they also polish the inside? Or can you screw directly into the EPS? When looking at the pictures, the Finnish construction seems "simpler" and they also have an advanced system for casting floor slabs. What I found from the Norwegians seemed to be made of wood (there's a cross-section image in the product sheet on page 6).
Both systems are interesting because they seem cheap, easy to build with, and have good thermal economy.
We'll have to get a feel for both suppliers and see who is best/cheapest.
Both systems are interesting because they seem cheap, easy to build with, and have good thermal economy.
We'll have to get a feel for both suppliers and see who is best/cheapest.
Directly from their site:
"The interior is most easily clad with, for example, plasterboard or tiles that are glued directly onto the hard PALIKKA surface."
Regarding the flooring, it appears to be like the walls that are cast in sections, which are then lifted into place by a crane machine.
"The interior is most easily clad with, for example, plasterboard or tiles that are glued directly onto the hard PALIKKA surface."
Regarding the flooring, it appears to be like the walls that are cast in sections, which are then lifted into place by a crane machine.
When it comes to floor structures, they seem to have their own method which consists of corrugated sheet metal that is then tied to the floor heating in the reinforcement before the floor is cast
For those who understand Finnish http://www.palikka.fi/tuote/kohteet.html
For those who understand Finnish http://www.palikka.fi/tuote/kohteet.html
I just received information material from Palikka in Finland.
It's still a lot of advertising and building stories from magazines, etc. Still missing more detailed technical descriptions. - But I'm persistent. I WILL hunt them down. I'm interested in this; it seems to make the dream of building a house yourself more realistic.
Here are some excerpts from one of the brochures:
"In Sundsvall, a girl built a 4-story house up to the roof height last summer in just a month, admittedly with the help of two 'experts' who, however, had no previous experience with the Palikka system. Even the interior walls can be built and cast simultaneously with the outer walls.
The easy-to-handle Palikka elements are twice as large as the heavy concrete elements but weigh only 1 kg each. This means much shorter construction time and more free time."
"A unique advantage of the patented Palikka system, which all other systems lack, is the internally ventilated wall construction that prevents moisture damage in split-level foundations and basements. Through the ready-made channels inside the wall, radon gas can also be diverted from the home."
... it goes on like this ...
It's still a lot of advertising and building stories from magazines, etc. Still missing more detailed technical descriptions. - But I'm persistent. I WILL hunt them down. I'm interested in this; it seems to make the dream of building a house yourself more realistic.
Here are some excerpts from one of the brochures:
"In Sundsvall, a girl built a 4-story house up to the roof height last summer in just a month, admittedly with the help of two 'experts' who, however, had no previous experience with the Palikka system. Even the interior walls can be built and cast simultaneously with the outer walls.
The easy-to-handle Palikka elements are twice as large as the heavy concrete elements but weigh only 1 kg each. This means much shorter construction time and more free time."
"A unique advantage of the patented Palikka system, which all other systems lack, is the internally ventilated wall construction that prevents moisture damage in split-level foundations and basements. Through the ready-made channels inside the wall, radon gas can also be diverted from the home."
... it goes on like this ...
Also check out www.byggikub.nu they have a similar method.