Looking for experiences from Palikka building system.
http://www.palikka.fi/se/main.html
According to the Finnish website, this is manufactured in Sweden. By whom?
http://www.palikka.fi/se/main.html
According to the Finnish website, this is manufactured in Sweden. By whom?
Hmmm... so it's insulated concrete forms that you buy? Seems very convenient! Somehow it seems a little -TOO- good to be true or what do you think?
Does anyone know more about this building system? I think the press release feels a bit too much like "beware of pirate products" but maybe it's just me reacting to this?!
Regards, Stefan
Does anyone know more about this building system? I think the press release feels a bit too much like "beware of pirate products" but maybe it's just me reacting to this?!
Regards, Stefan
I have spoken with Pål Ross, an architect who uses this building system, and they think it's enormously good. While they may be biased, they also build with other systems, so there must be some advantage. I have also tried to get information from Finland, but it seems they don't speak Swedish ;D
The system is a form in EPS that you then put reinforcement in and pour concrete = stable and pre-insulated. The blocks are 300 mm deep + any external and internal cladding. I didn't get any prices on the building blocks themselves, only their architectural costs (expensive as anything).
The system is a form in EPS that you then put reinforcement in and pour concrete = stable and pre-insulated. The blocks are 300 mm deep + any external and internal cladding. I didn't get any prices on the building blocks themselves, only their architectural costs (expensive as anything).
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Ok. EPS is a type of plastic, right? Is it a hard material? It also says it insulates well, so there should be some form of insulation on the inside of the form, right?
I'm wondering if you directly apply mesh on the form before plastering or if you plaster directly???
Really exciting in any case! yo let me know if you get any price info, OK?
Best, Stefan
PS the neighbors to the east might speak English?! DS
Ok. EPS is a type of plastic, right? Is it a hard material? It also says it insulates well, so there should be some form of insulation on the inside of the form, right?
I'm wondering if you directly apply mesh on the form before plastering or if you plaster directly???
Really exciting in any case! yo let me know if you get any price info, OK?
Best, Stefan
PS the neighbors to the east might speak English?! DS
If I understand correctly, it is a form that is then filled with concrete and reinforcement. It can be fastened directly to rock using bolts. It is also possible to cast at temperatures down to -25 degrees since the insulation prevents the concrete from freezing (the concrete is probably heated from the factory). The U-value is excellent at 0.18W/sqm. I will send a new email to Finland, now in English, to possibly get more information ;D
The question is who sells it besides Pål Ross. He wanted 204,000 for ideas and sketches for a house between 150-250 sqm, and then an additional 236,000 for planning the entire construction. It costs to stay on top.
The question is who sells it besides Pål Ross. He wanted 204,000 for ideas and sketches for a house between 150-250 sqm, and then an additional 236,000 for planning the entire construction. It costs to stay on top.
I have also tried to contact them via email, but without success. Emails are returned, "<sofixx@www.lailanet.fi>: maildir delivery failed: error writing message: Disk quota exceeded"
Fun way to conduct business.
Yes, I'm also bothered by the "warning for private products"
I interpret this as them having:
1) high prices
2) No competitive advantage with their product
But I might be wrong.
Fun way to conduct business.
Yes, I'm also bothered by the "warning for private products"
I interpret this as them having:
1) high prices
2) No competitive advantage with their product
But I might be wrong.
More info:
It seems like Webvirke http://www.webvirke.com is selling this.
I have called them for pricing and further info.
I will get back when I know more.
It seems like Webvirke http://www.webvirke.com is selling this.
I have called them for pricing and further info.
I will get back when I know more.
Some price details: (from WebVirke)
Form elements: about 80 SEK/each (including VAT). 3 pcs/m2
It requires 120 liters of concrete/m2. + reinforcement
The concrete should have good flow properties as you cannot vibrate out air bubbles.
What is the cost of concrete/m3?
This seems to be an interesting system to use for self-building.
Form elements: about 80 SEK/each (including VAT). 3 pcs/m2
It requires 120 liters of concrete/m2. + reinforcement
The concrete should have good flow properties as you cannot vibrate out air bubbles.
What is the cost of concrete/m3?
This seems to be an interesting system to use for self-building.
Why can't air bubbles be vibrated away? You just need to stick in the vibrator and go. You can't do it if the entire wall is erected, but if you take it in 1-meter heights, fill, vibrate, and then add another meter, it should work or am I missing something?
