No paper strips between the drywall sheets - cracks

[Exostor]

You're simply not keeping up with the development. The industry has, for many years—very many years—decided that the industry standard, Hus-AMA, etc., indicates that paper tape should be used instead of fiberglass tape. This is because the paper tape has advantages compared to the fiberglass tape. Everyone except AG A (and maybe you) agrees on this and also agrees on the advantages of the tape.

If you then choose to glue the tape or embed it with joint compound, that's up to you. The industry standard gives you both options. Since it's not always easy to embed the tape, I usually suggest gluing the tape with fabric glue—everyone can manage this and it's very hard to fail. A few years ago, the industry regulations indicated that one should glue particularly exposed joints, but that has disappeared in recent years—now these options seem to have been made equivalent—possibly in connection with using more than one type of joint compound when embedding the tape (I'm not up to date on that detail since I glue). The professionals choose to embed the tape because it goes much faster when you know how, not because it is better.

Joint compound J should be used if you're only embedding without gluing. Not that I think it matters much, but that's how it is.

 

[TheGame]

You're simply not keeping up with the development. The industry has for many years - very many years - decided that the industry standard, Hus-AMA, etc., indicates that paper tape should be used instead of fiberglass tape. This choice is made because the paper tape has advantages compared to the fabric tape. Everyone except AG A (and maybe you) agrees on this and they also agree on the advantages of the tape.

Whether you then choose to glue the tape or embed it with compound is up to you. The industry standard gives you both options. Since it's not always easy to embed the tape, I usually suggest gluing the tape with fabric glue - this is manageable for everyone and it's very difficult to fail. A few years ago, industry rules indicated that particularly exposed seams should be glued, but this has disappeared in recent years - now these options seem to have been made equivalent - possibly in connection with using more than one type of compound when embedding the tape (I haven't kept track of that detail since I glue). Professionals choose to embed the tape because it is much faster when you know how, not because it is better.

Maybe that's the case, it just sounds so amateurish. Amateurs have managed it with fiberglass tape or paper tape without glue so far, so it just seemed like an unnecessary step.

 

[Ludde Jakobsson]

To all who prefer paper, why use microlite on the walls and not paper when you want to prevent cracking? If you are renovating a ceiling painted with glue paint, do you buy paper and slap it up or "microlite"? I believe that paper has become a standard because it's faster, but I actually think microlite strips are better. PS I am an amateur. . DS

 

[JanneJanne123]

Why is there paper on the gypsum board and not microlite?

 

[JanneJanne123]

Maybe that's the case, it just sounds so amateurish. Amateurs have managed with fiberglass tape or paper tape without adhesive so far, so it just sounded like an unnecessary step.

What does it matter if it sounds "amateurish"? It's the same with aids like tile spacers that pros don't use, but they help regular people achieve good results. It just feels silly and condescending to call it amateurish, and the important thing is that people achieve good results.

 

[TheGame]

What does it matter if it sounds "amateurish"? It's the same with aids like tile crosses that professionals don't use, but they help ordinary people get good results. It just feels silly and derogatory to call it amateurish, and the important thing is that people achieve good results.

But why does it sound like it's so important which glue one uses?
It should work with anything as long as it sticks, right? As I said, the intention is to use filler, not glue 🤷‍♂️

I mean it sounds "overworked," something a poor amateur came up with.
Don't make it difficult unnecessarily, use what's available.
As I said, I've used both methods and the result is the same.
But maybe, as I said, "something new."

 

[JanneJanne123]

Because it's not straightforward to get the filler adhesive to adhere well, but the fabric adhesive is foolproof. If you want to go with filler, that's totally fine with me, but after my mishap, I won't take any chances with filler and will use adhesive instead.

 

[TheGame]

Because it's not straightforward to get the glue putty to adhere well, but the glue fabric glue cannot fail. If you want to go with putty, that's totally fine by me, but after my fiasco I don't take chances with putty and instead go with glue.

Should probably work just as well with any glue or even tape 😅

 

[JanneJanne123]

as long as the glue can withstand getting wet, you can glue with whatever you want, yes.

 

[Daniel 109]

It also works with regular wallpaper paste. It has worked for me at least. If it's embedded, it won't stick when it's plastered over.

 

[MathiasS]

But why does it sound like it's so important which glue you use?
It should work with anything as long as it holds? As I said, the point is to use filler, not glue 🤷‍♂️

I mean it sounds "over-engineered," like something a lousy amateur came up with.
Don't make it difficult unnecessarily; use what's available.
As I said, I've tried both methods and the result is the same.
But maybe, as I said, "something new."

"It works with anything as long as it holds"..........so what does your gut feeling say? Can you use just any glue and it will stick like a rock, or will some types of glue be better than others?

YBG (note, all this info comes from industry documentation, not from some amateur) prescribes fabric glue with a certain dry content to avoid problems when filling, painting, and wallpapering on this. Is this really so astonishing?

To me, it sounds more amateurish to believe that "anything will do" or to claim that fiberglass tape is better than paper - that shows no thought at all - or even reading the instruction manual.

 

[MathiasS]

It works even with regular wallpaper paste. It has worked for me, at least. If it's plastered in, it won't be stuck when plastered over.

Wallpaper paste is regular wallpaper glue, but the recommendation is to use a type that withstands more moisture. Previously, they talked about wallpaper paste/wallpaper glue for moist rooms; now they have specified a dry matter content instead. Anything works well until it doesn't.

A jar of problem-free glue costs about a hundred, so compared to having to redo plastering, sanding, and painting, I don't understand why one wouldn't take what is known to work in all situations.

 

[TheGame]

"It works with anything as long as it sticks"........ so what does your gut feeling say? Can you use just any glue and it will stick like a rock, or will some types of glue be better than others?

YBG (note, all this info comes from industry documentation, not from any amateur) prescribes wallpaper glue with a certain solid content and they do this to avoid problems when you fill, paint, and wallpaper over this. Is this really so astonishing?

In my ears, it sounds more amateurish to think "anything will do" or to claim that fiberglass tape is better than paper - then you haven’t thought it through at all - or even read the instruction manual.

Yes, the reason I'm wondering is that normally you don't use any glue at all. So what sticks like a rock? 😂
I think you misunderstand, I'm not saying something is better than the other. But many make an amateurish assessment that fabric doesn't work and that you should glue the paper tape.
If the paper tape is not glued in normal cases, why is the choice of glue important? 🤪

 

[MathiasS]

Yes, why I'm wondering is that normally you don't use any glue at all. So what sticks like a rock?

Well, you normally use glue for a paper tape, or you embed it with joint compound intended for that. Both methods are "normal."

What the professionals recommend if you're going to glue, and it sticks like a rock, is a fabric glue with a solids content over 20%. Higher solids content provides better adhesion and better water resistance.

But many make some amateurish assessment that fabric doesn't work and that you should glue the paper tape.

Many? The whole industry working with surface treatment of drywall unanimously says that paper tape should be used and that it can be embedded or glued.

It's the claim that fiberglass tape is as good as paper tape that is deviant and amateurish.

If the paper tape isn't glued normally, why is the choice of glue important?

The paper tape is normally glued. Or embedded. You choose.

If you choose to glue and use the wrong glue, you risk the tape coming loose from the drywall when you paint or smooth, resulting in bubbles where it has detached, and then it cracks.

As you can see here, the same simple facts are repeated all the time because your reasoning lacks logic? You seem to have gotten stuck in some misunderstanding that glued paper tape is something unusual and amateurish - isn't it just a matter of reading how to do it and accepting it?

 

[TheGame]

Well, you normally use glue for the paper tape, or you can embed it with joint compound intended for that. Both methods are "normal."

The professionals recommend if you are going to glue, something that holds very well, is a fabric glue with a solid content of over 20%. Higher solid content gives better adhesion and better resistance to water.

Many? The entire industry dealing with surface treatment of gypsum boards unanimously says that it is paper tape that should be used and that it can be embedded with joint compound or glued.

It is the assertion that fiberglass tape is as good as paper tape that is the abnormal and amateurish claim.

The paper tape is normally glued. Or embedded with joint compound. You choose yourself.

If you choose to glue and use the wrong glue, you risk the tape coming loose from the gypsum when you paint or apply joint compound, and then you get bubbles where it has detached and then it cracks.

As you can see here, the same simple facts are repeated all the time, hard to do otherwise when your reasoning lacks logic? You seem to be stuck in some misunderstanding that glued paper tape is some unusual amateur thing - isn't it just a matter of reading how to do it and accepting it?

I haven't heard/seen that paper tape is glued, that's all I meant.
I have done both methods, fiberglass and paper tape.
The result is the same. Amateurs who fail.
But now I'll give it up, it seems the topic is making you upset in some way.