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Missing bottom sill and probably no fastening
After spending a lot of time in the crawl space due to moisture problems, I discovered something about the house's sill.
It seems to be a 45* 192/220 (haven't taken measurements) stud standing upright. This means it builds 220 up instead of 45 up. On this, there's an upper sill. Imagine the construction as lower sill, bearing beam, upper sill but without the lower sill. I also didn't see any attachment of the stud. The floor joist is attached with joist hangers to the bearing beam. If the entire house isn't resting loosely on the foundation, then they have used the joist hangers to attach the stud to the foundation wall.
It seems like they've used the construction method for a post foundation even though it's a crawl space, and hopefully attached it using the joist hangers? However, I don't think so because the studs for the joist don't seem to "float" in the joist hanger which they should if there were screw heads under the stud. You would then see a gap between the stud and the joist hanger.
I have three questions regarding this. The first question is whether the lower sill is important or if it's enough with the "standing" 45*195 stud and then the upper sill. The second question is how bad it is if the house is resting loosely on the foundation if the joist hangers haven't been used to attach everything to the foundation wall. The last question is whether this can be considered a hidden defect, either regarding the construction or the lack of attachment.
Otherwise, there's roofing felt underneath and no moisture damage in the sill as far as I can see. I discovered this when I started lifting the subfloor panels, etc., to look at the actual floor joist.
It seems to be a 45* 192/220 (haven't taken measurements) stud standing upright. This means it builds 220 up instead of 45 up. On this, there's an upper sill. Imagine the construction as lower sill, bearing beam, upper sill but without the lower sill. I also didn't see any attachment of the stud. The floor joist is attached with joist hangers to the bearing beam. If the entire house isn't resting loosely on the foundation, then they have used the joist hangers to attach the stud to the foundation wall.
It seems like they've used the construction method for a post foundation even though it's a crawl space, and hopefully attached it using the joist hangers? However, I don't think so because the studs for the joist don't seem to "float" in the joist hanger which they should if there were screw heads under the stud. You would then see a gap between the stud and the joist hanger.
I have three questions regarding this. The first question is whether the lower sill is important or if it's enough with the "standing" 45*195 stud and then the upper sill. The second question is how bad it is if the house is resting loosely on the foundation if the joist hangers haven't been used to attach everything to the foundation wall. The last question is whether this can be considered a hidden defect, either regarding the construction or the lack of attachment.
Otherwise, there's roofing felt underneath and no moisture damage in the sill as far as I can see. I discovered this when I started lifting the subfloor panels, etc., to look at the actual floor joist.
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I don't understand the description.
If you look at the picture, I'm missing the lower sill, number 11 in the picture. Number 1 is the floor joists attached with joist hangers. I'm wondering if the joist hanger is used as fastening against the foundation wall.L Lappa123 said:After spending a lot of time in the crawl space due to moisture problems, I discovered something about the house's sill.
It seems to be a 45* 192/220, (haven't taken the measurements) stud standing upright. So it builds upward 220 instead of 45. On this sits an upper sill. Imagine the construction lower sill, beam, upper sill but with the absence of the lower sill. Also, I didn't see any fastening of the stud. The floor joists are attached with joist hangers to the beam. If the whole house isn't lying loose on the wall, they've used the joist hanger to attach the stud to the foundation wall.
It seems like they've used the construction for a post foundation even though it's a crawl space and hopefully fastened it using the joist hangers? However, I don't think so because the studs for the floor joists don't seem to "hover" in the joist hanger, which they should if there were screw heads under the stud. You would then see a gap between the stud and the joist hanger.
I have three questions about this. The first question is if the lower sill is important or if a "standing" 45*195 stud and then an upper sill is enough. Second question is how bad is it if the house is lying loose on the wall if the joist hangers weren't used to attach everything to the wall. The last question is if this could qualify as a hidden defect, either regarding the construction or the lack of fastening.
Otherwise, there is paper underneath, and no moisture damage to the sill that I can see. I discovered it when I started lifting the subfloor boards, etc., to look at the actual floor joists.
For some reason, they are there, and it will be necessary to examine more closely if there are bolts/screws or anything else that connects the wood and shoe. Maybe they ?? put them there as a preventive measure but are not used. Can't tell from a distance.
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