Hello!

I am considering extending my current house with an L-shaped addition over 2 floors. The extension is approximately 6x9 meters, meaning 54 square meters times 2 floors.

On the ground floor, we don't have any interior walls that can support the floor joists for the middle floor. We want the floor beams on the middle floor to be approximately 200 mm since we are connecting it with our old log house which has both low ceiling and floor height.

According to my calculations, I can use 200-mm lightweight beams if I have 3 supports. (Possibly even lower if that's the case; I haven't quite decided yet), with the load-bearing walls and a pillar in the middle; here's my question!

Can I complement with a longitudinal HEA beam OR some other beam as a middle support? It needs to span 9 meters and rest on the load-bearing short walls.

Best regards, Anton
 
Feel free to post a simple explanatory sketch of your thoughts to make it a bit easier(y)
 
Here are 2 images based on a rough sketch I have made. The length of the longest floor beam is 6350 mm and the beam needs to be approximately 9400 mm.
In addition to the beam in the middle, the floor beam will rest on the 3 walls visible in the picture as well as on the frame of the old house!
 
  • 3D architectural draft showing a structure with three walls and a beam length measurement of 9350 mm. The beam is highlighted in yellow.
  • 3D model showing a building framework with beams and walls. The longest beam is highlighted in yellow, connected to three walls.
I'm going to have a cross wall in the bathroom that might help.

then the free span will be between 6 and 7 meters ish.
 
  • 3D model of a building structure showing ceiling beams with a span of approximately 6 to 7 meters, intended for a bathroom wall addition.
What if we flipped the joist and used the interior wall as load-bearing, with a shorter transverse steel beam over the larger room?
 
Yes, that's very possible! But the length is similar. Then we have a length of 5.5 to 6 meters. Which beam should be used then?
 
One issue that arises in the first case is that if a 9m long beam is placed with a support ~2-3m from one end, the beam wants to lift at the outer wall, and large lifting forces are needed to hold it back. To counteract this, the beam should be divided at the wall. By flipping the beam, the span becomes ~5.5m instead of ~7m. This essentially halves the deflection.
 
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Beam dimension I will get back to if no one beats me to it.
 
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You have obviously not read my article on different ways to extend at the following link: https://www.byggahus.se/olika-satt-att-bygga-till-huset-guide-och-jamforelse
In this way, you are forced to give the extension poor height dimensions and also cannot choose optimal dimensions for the intermediate floor. It is a waste of money. A glulam beam with the dimensions 215x225 can handle a 6 m span without central support.
 
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