The wall shown is the boundary between us and the neighbor.
The idea is to jointly build a trellis between us.
It should be a relatively sparse trellis so that you can barely see through it, but it should still allow some air through and not give the feeling of a "boarded-up fence."
How to do this simplest and best?
The idea is for the trellis to be about 4 meters long and about 2 meters high.
One option discussed is to drive several ground anchors (3-4) into the ground and attach posts to them, with the outermost post screwed to the shed wall visible in the picture.
Then you screw the "slats" between the posts that have been built up.
Another option is to place a board against the wall and screw it in (with screws and plugs), then a board against the shed which is also screwed in. Finally, an upper rail and posts on the other side are attached to the existing boards so that it becomes a square framework.
What do you think?
The important thing, of course, is that it withstands the wind (it's quite windy where we live).
EDIT: There were some issues with the image uploads.
The same image was uploaded both correctly and incorrectly oriented.
There are post shoes that can be mounted on the wall and can be screwed in with plugs and screws
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The risk of tipping is another factor - Drilling through the stone and inserting rebar could help!?
It's still doubtful if it's just stones lying there and not going below ground...
Yes, such a post shoe seems reasonable.
If you install 3 of them in the wall and screw/plug them, they should hold rather firmly, right?
Then, as mentioned, you attach a beam to the shed wall where it is secure.
If you can attach to the storage shed on one side and arrange a proper post on the other side, you might manage without attaching anything to the wall. How long is the planned trellis? If you plan to attach something to the wall, the starting point should be to find out how it is built and if it possibly has a footing. If it is stacked stones, it will not handle any load at all essentially, and even a sparse trellis will exert forces if it’s windy. If the distance is reasonably short and the wall is mostly stacked without a footing, a properly anchored post and wall anchoring would probably be the most sensible way forward.
If you can attach to the storage on one side and arrange a proper post on the other side, you might be able to manage without attaching anything to the wall. How long is the planned trellis? If you plan to attach something to the wall, the starting point is to find out how it is built and if it possibly has a footing. If it's stacked stones, it won't withstand any load at all basically, and even a sparse trellis will exert forces if it blows. If the distance is reasonably short and the wall is mostly stacked without a footing, then a properly anchored post and anchoring in the wall would probably be the best way forward.
The wall is a Keystone Garden Wall, which is built and locked with fiberglass rods.
I haven't measured exactly how long I need the trellis to be, but I would estimate around 4 meters in length and 2 meters in height.
You write that one can have a properly anchored post.
But what do you mean should I anchor it to? The wall, paving stones, the ground, or what?
I would like to suggest that you need a proper concrete block with a footing iron at the free end. The alternative is if you can have a diagonal brace. Then make a top rail out of something sturdy, and you will get a stable fence/trellis.
Mounting the middle posts in the wall should be fine, but the last one must be very stable to be able to handle the lateral forces.
Another question you should check is whether a building permit is required. I know that with us (Örebro) such a trellis as you have in the picture is considered a fence and requires a building permit, even if both neighbors want it just because it comes so close to the street.
The wall is a Keystone Garden Wall, constructed and locked with fiberglass rods.
I haven't measured exactly how long I need the trellis to be, but I'd guess around 4 meters in length and 2 meters in height.
You mention having a well-anchored post.
But what do you mean I should anchor it in? The wall, the stone slabs, the ground, or what?
What I was thinking was roughly what Larsa wrote. At the free end, I would probably guess that you'll need to dig down a proper foundation where you place a sturdy post shoe. The principle is essentially a hole (simply described as frost-free digging depth, draining bottom filling, casting tube or casting directly in the hole with the post shoe in the right position...) and the correct variant of post shoe (if you search via Google, you'll find a whole bunch of variants).
With a length of 4 meters, it feels too long for it to just hang freely in the middle; moreover, the hanging will stress the post at the free end even more. Perhaps it could work to place 2 post shoes in between (according to the model below) where you drill into the wall and cast with expansion concrete. There's some risk that the expansion concrete could press apart your wall blocks, but I think you'll need a more robust solution than some post shoe set in the top block that you fasten with plugs or something similar.
Given the image above, I think you need to focus on selecting how your trellis should look as the first step. The trellis that #8 shows above will, for example, require strongly anchored posts in the middle (which will probably be more securely fastened than the solution I gave as an example above).
Sturdy frame, requires two stable attachments at the ends but not necessarily much in the middle up to 3-4 meters in length. Some may not call this a trellis, and with longer lengths and a sturdy frame, it is difficult to achieve an airy impression if that's what you're after.
Solution without a frame that is entirely based on the posts, and each post has a solid foundation. If you go long between the posts, there is a risk that the wood will warp, so the horizontal slats start to look like bananas with the seasons. Vertical crossbars fix this to some extent
This trellis is quite similar to what I ideally want.
However, mine needs to be a little larger and preferably a bit "denser" as well.
The idea of attaching it to the wall seems unfortunately much more advanced and complicated than I thought.
Maybe I should switch and try to attach it to the ground instead?
Either on the side of the wall where there is grass or on the side of the wall where there are pavers and decorative stones.
There it should be easier to drill down with some kind of drill and make a hole, cast some beams in some way and then build on with slats?
Keep in mind.. (which I didn't..) to keep the distance between the square battens shorter than the batten itself. In other words, if you're using a 45X45, the distance should be under 40 mm between them, maybe even 35 mm. Otherwise, it looks odd from a distance, the gap appears much larger than 45X45. Others who have shown pictures of their fences have noticed this, it looks nicer. I've also painted mine (red), which might also enhance the impression. .
Unfortunately, attaching to the wall seems much more advanced and complicated than I thought.
Maybe I should switch and try to attach to the ground instead?
Either on the side of the wall where there is grass or on the side of the wall where there are paving stones and decorative stones.
It should be easier to drill down with some form of drill and make a hole, cast some frames in some way, and then build on with slats?
Renting an earth drill and arranging some casting tubes to cast down a foundation with a post shoe on either side of the wall should be quite simple; the question is whether you will be satisfied with the appearance of either having a wall inside or outside your wall. The solution itself is quite simple. Aesthetically, I would probably think that lining the trellis above the wall would be the nicest solution, but then you're back to the problem of anchoring something in the wall.
Can the wall be taken down (considering nylon rods, etc.) to get down some foundations that you can put it back up between again? That seems like it would be the absolute nicest solution.
Given that we're talking about roughly 4 meters, it might not be entirely impossible to place a post in the middle of it anyway with a post shoe, though I guess you would need an overlying piece that stretches unbroken for the entire length of your trellis from the house to a post where the wall ends, and then we're back to the more frame-like trellis.
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