Help with partition wall

[Hoffmeister]

Hello.

I just bought an older house with a sloped ceiling on the upper floor. The upper floor has a large living room and a large bedroom. I was thinking of dividing the living room so I get an additional smaller bedroom.

The ceiling is made of plasterboard, and the walls are plasterboard. How do I attach the top plate and the wall studs? The wall will be along the rafters, and unfortunately not directly under any rafter, so I can't attach it there.

Can you screw the top plate directly into the plasterboard? I understand that plasterboard doesn't offer a super solid attachment, but where would it go once the wall is up? There won't be any direct forces either upward or sideways... And the little force there might be can probably be resisted by the plasterboard?

If that's not the way to do it, how should it be done? Crawl up into the attic and put noggings between the rafters where the wall will go? So you can attach to the noggings?

Grateful for advice since my knowledge on the subject is limited at the moment!

Best regards, Johan

 

[Ribons]

When I set up my partition wall in the house, I screwed a stud into the ceiling and one into the floor, then I just framed it up. You can also fasten the studs using screws and nuts (clamping everything) which holds as long as you don't load it too much.

 

[larsbj]

Glue the rule to the ceiling so you don't have to kortla.

 

[Hoffmeister]

When I set up my partition in the house, I screwed a stud in the ceiling and one in the floor, then I just framed it up. You can also secure the studs with screws and nuts (clamping everything), it holds as long as you don't put too much load on it

But did you have drywall in the ceiling?

 

[Hoffmeister]

Glue the rule to the ceiling, then you don't have to short-circuit.

So gluing a 45x70 directly to the ceiling plasterboard is no problem? Can't you just screw it up instead then? Thinking that if one day you want to take down the wall... It's a bit troublesome if it's glued. Once the vertical studs are in place, the ceiling rule is no longer subjected to downward pressure.

It's extremely troublesome to short-circuit from inside the attic, so if you can avoid it, it's golden.

Best regards, Johan

 

[Ribons]

the ceiling and floor joists (stiffen) secured with the help of the joists. No, I don't have any gypsum anywhere in the house

 

[holmberg87]

It is laterally that you want strength in that wall, so it doesn't sway if you press on it. Use anchors and screws in the ceiling, and/or supplement with glue. It will hold really well together with the floor rule.
That it is glued doesn't matter in the future, just sand it off and paint.

 

[Hoffmeister]

It's sideways strength you want in that wall, so it doesn't sway if you push on it. Use plugs and screws in the ceiling, and/or supplement with glue. It will sit really well together with the floor rule. The fact that it is glued doesn't matter in the future, just sand off and paint.

There should be battens above the plasterboard that you might hit with a bit of luck, right? Regarding gluing, I was mostly wondering how you would get the rule off the ceiling when you demolish later? The plasterboard would likely be destroyed?

 

[holmberg87]

There should be battens above the drywall that you might hit with a bit of luck? Regarding gluing, I was mostly thinking about how to remove the beam from the ceiling when you eventually take it down. The drywall is likely to be damaged?

Yes, the drywall must be screwed into something, so you might be able to measure where the battens are so it will be even more secure. I don't think the drywall will get damaged too badly, rather the glue residue might remain, but if it comes off the drywall, it's just a matter of filling and painting

 

[Hoffmeister]

Yes, the plasterboard must be screwed into something, so you might be able to measure where the battens are to make it even more secure. I don't think the plaster breaks that badly, rather that glue residues remain, but even if it comes off in the plaster, it's just a matter of filling and painting

But screwing a stud directly into the plasterboard without using anchors isn't an option? I feel like the wall will stand regardless once the vertical studs are in place. If you use a slightly thicker threaded screw, I think.

 

[holmberg87]

But screwing the stud straight into the plasterboard without any anchor is not an option? I assume the wall will stay in place once the vertical studs are in place. If you use a slightly thicker threaded screw, I'm thinking.

Well, screwing into just plasterboard is useless, it doesn't hold anything and the plaster crumbles. Pre-drill the stud on the ceiling, place it against the ceiling, and mark with a drill where the holes will be. Drill and use an anchor. That seems easiest to me and it will hold better

The wall will probably stay in place anyway, but I hate when interior walls feel loose and move if you push on them.

 

[smedbror]

The wall will probably stay in place anyway, but I hate it when interior walls feel flimsy and move if you press on them.

Haha, does that happen to you often?

 

[Strip]

Just glue sounds absolutely easiest. Preferably a metal stud then, so it's easy to set the vertical studs later. If one uses plugs, there will be a small distance between the stud and the gypsum, which will not be to the wall's advantage in terms of stability.

 

[Hoffmeister]

Is it possible to use a wooden beam on the floor and a metal stud on the ceiling? Shouldn't have any sexual meaning, right?

 

[holmberg87]

Haha, does that happen to you often?

Haha no, I can't say that, but a week ago when I was helping a friend open an inner wall, it happened