Fontanot and Byggera, which everyone sells, do not follow BBR at all.
Yet they are sold by Byggmax / K-Rauta / Bygghemma, and most others that sell stairs. Why are they even sold when you can't install them in Swedish homes?
It is clearly stated in the BBR that:
The opening between the treads, for open stairs, must not be more than 10 cm. Railings and balustrades must be designed so that they are not climbable. The distance between spindles in railings must not exceed 10 cm.
And when you call these companies, they interpret the BBR as saying "should," so they say it can be ignored.
But when you read up, "should" should be interpreted as "shall."
First and foremost, I want to hear what experiences others have with this.
And then if anyone knows where to buy a staircase that complies with the rules with a measurement of 290 cm in right L-shape, preferably with risers so that there are no openings larger than 10 cm and with a non-climbable railing, and that has a width of about 80 cm.
Best regards,
Fredde
Yet they are sold by Byggmax / K-Rauta / Bygghemma, and most others that sell stairs. Why are they even sold when you can't install them in Swedish homes?
It is clearly stated in the BBR that:
The opening between the treads, for open stairs, must not be more than 10 cm. Railings and balustrades must be designed so that they are not climbable. The distance between spindles in railings must not exceed 10 cm.
And when you call these companies, they interpret the BBR as saying "should," so they say it can be ignored.
But when you read up, "should" should be interpreted as "shall."
First and foremost, I want to hear what experiences others have with this.
And then if anyone knows where to buy a staircase that complies with the rules with a measurement of 290 cm in right L-shape, preferably with risers so that there are no openings larger than 10 cm and with a non-climbable railing, and that has a width of about 80 cm.
Best regards,
Fredde
Member
· Västernorrland
· 12 028 posts
Even though we don't have any stair police in Sweden........In a new construction, you might not be able to have just anything, but otherwise, you are allowed and can have vines if you want.
Well, I've heard from Tarzan that the lianas must be placed with max cc10S Stefan1972 said:
Typical Tarzan and vine copJ Jocke Best said:Well, I've heard from Tarzan that the vines must be set with a max cc10
It is often said that the requirements only matter when damage occurs.
When you need insurance money because you've fallen through the stairs and have to sit in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, it can be disappointing to discover that the stairs were not approved.
When you need insurance money because you've fallen through the stairs and have to sit in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, it can be disappointing to discover that the stairs were not approved.
There is a bit of a difference when it comes to private and public environments. In public environments, I would immediately say that "should" requirements should be seen as mandatory requirements. When it comes to people's private homes, the boundaries might not be as clear. As someone writes, no one can punish you if you install a vine instead of a staircase at home. And when selling to the next buyer, it's unlikely that any buyer can claim a hidden defect or mistake the vine for the staircase that should be there.
However, it is inappropriate, and insurance companies can certainly say that you will receive reduced compensation if you happen to break your leg because of your vine.
However, it is inappropriate, and insurance companies can certainly say that you will receive reduced compensation if you happen to break your leg because of your vine.
Most people don't live like hermits either, but they have people over sometimes.
Bad enough if I or my family fall from the vine. But then we can, in some sense, blame ourselves.
It's not the least bit funny if it's a guest's child climbing over a railing and breaking their neck.
These BBR guidelines aren't written to mess with people but to ensure we can be safe at home or away. What feels so difficult about that?
Bad enough if I or my family fall from the vine. But then we can, in some sense, blame ourselves.
It's not the least bit funny if it's a guest's child climbing over a railing and breaking their neck.
These BBR guidelines aren't written to mess with people but to ensure we can be safe at home or away. What feels so difficult about that?
Self-builder
· Stockholm
· 10 275 posts
Check with Snickarlaget. I was considering building a staircase myself, but it wasn't worth it. Send the measurements and you'll get a quote for a nice approved staircase. (If it fits, that is!)
My straight staircase with white stringers and oak steps, complete with railings etc., cost just over 50k.
My straight staircase with white stringers and oak steps, complete with railings etc., cost just over 50k.
The BBR guidelines exist as a liability boundary. If one has complied with the applicable building regulations, insurance companies cannot do anything other than pay compensation for any damages, provided they are compensable.
If someone has built "incorrectly," a potential insurance company may determine that the person who made the mistake should be responsible for the damage. If you injure yourself, the insurance company will not pay any compensation. If you injure someone else, compensation is usually covered by liability insurance. If this is absent, the insurance company will pay compensation for damage with a lawsuit against the person who made the mistake.
If someone has built "incorrectly," a potential insurance company may determine that the person who made the mistake should be responsible for the damage. If you injure yourself, the insurance company will not pay any compensation. If you injure someone else, compensation is usually covered by liability insurance. If this is absent, the insurance company will pay compensation for damage with a lawsuit against the person who made the mistake.
As a procurement officer, I can answer this. (when it comes to public environments) If it should be something, you write must. If you write should, you give the possibility for freer interpretation. When it comes to stairs, the reason for should texts (without being specifically knowledgeable about stairs) is that you want a freer interpretation of the product so that the design can look appealing. You only have to look at a general product with a lot of MUST. It's never visually appealing.
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· Västernorrland
· 12 028 posts
With stairs, it is often the aesthetics that govern today, safety comes far down the scale in many cases. A home today should look nice, functionality has completely disappeared from the requirements specification.....
The regulation states that stairs, ramps, etc., must be designed in such a way that the risk of accidents involving children is limited.
Since the requirements for a 100 mm opening between steps is a general guideline, one can meet this in other ways considered equivalent.
Ignoring a recommendation is not possible without finding an alternative solution that is considered equivalent. In this case, it seems difficult to solve in another way. Brr has clearly stated that spaces larger than 100mm allow children to get through.
Definition of a general guideline.
A general guideline indicates how someone can or should act to fulfill a binding rule in law, regulation, or directive. A general guideline is a recommendation where a method or solution is presented. But if one chooses not to follow the method outlined in the general guideline, they must be able to demonstrate that the binding rules are still met.
Authorities can issue a general guideline without special authorization as long as it falls within the agency's scope of operation. A general guideline can supplement a law, regulation, or directive directly.
Since the requirements for a 100 mm opening between steps is a general guideline, one can meet this in other ways considered equivalent.
Ignoring a recommendation is not possible without finding an alternative solution that is considered equivalent. In this case, it seems difficult to solve in another way. Brr has clearly stated that spaces larger than 100mm allow children to get through.
Definition of a general guideline.
A general guideline indicates how someone can or should act to fulfill a binding rule in law, regulation, or directive. A general guideline is a recommendation where a method or solution is presented. But if one chooses not to follow the method outlined in the general guideline, they must be able to demonstrate that the binding rules are still met.
Authorities can issue a general guideline without special authorization as long as it falls within the agency's scope of operation. A general guideline can supplement a law, regulation, or directive directly.