Hello,
Installed the second exterior door, this time between the basement and garage. Everything was level before the frame screws went in; I had to reinforce with 3 extra frame screws due to poor anchoring in the lightweight concrete.
When the door was lifted on, it fit "perfectly" right away! All gaps were evenly sized and just right.
BUT then I notice that the upper left corner of the door leaf sticks out about 5 mm!?
I check the frame again with the level and everything looks straight except for 2 measurement points that were correct earlier. Likely they have changed while I tightened the frame screws.
Below we see the left frame:
Below I see the right frame:
Even if the bubble is within bounds, this becomes a problem since the frames lean in opposite directions, i.e. bad luck, otherwise, you might have been able to adjust something and find a middle ground.
Is there anything I can do here to make it at least a bit better? Or is it just a matter of taking down the frame, filling in the holes, and making new ones again?
The alternative is, of course, to live with it, the door is protected in the garage, but it will obviously bother me anyway
Installed the second exterior door, this time between the basement and garage. Everything was level before the frame screws went in; I had to reinforce with 3 extra frame screws due to poor anchoring in the lightweight concrete.
When the door was lifted on, it fit "perfectly" right away! All gaps were evenly sized and just right.
BUT then I notice that the upper left corner of the door leaf sticks out about 5 mm!?
I check the frame again with the level and everything looks straight except for 2 measurement points that were correct earlier. Likely they have changed while I tightened the frame screws.
Below we see the left frame:
Below I see the right frame:
Even if the bubble is within bounds, this becomes a problem since the frames lean in opposite directions, i.e. bad luck, otherwise, you might have been able to adjust something and find a middle ground.
Is there anything I can do here to make it at least a bit better? Or is it just a matter of taking down the frame, filling in the holes, and making new ones again?
The alternative is, of course, to live with it, the door is protected in the garage, but it will obviously bother me anyway
It is sufficient to move a corner of the frame somewhere, inward or outward (depending on where!)
Yes, the problem is that in the upper left corner and lower right corner, I've had to insert extra screws since the others didn't hold as they should in the lightweight concrete.Handyman 1 said:
In the upper left corner, there are 2 extra screws in between the existing ones, and there’s an extra screw at the very bottom right, about 5 cm above the threshold.
Moving the holes by a few mm isn’t possible without filling them first, which means the whole frame has to come out. So the alternative is to drill new holes, but that would mean a ton of holes in the frame
The strange thing is that it's only in the upper left corner where the door leaf is sticking out, while all the other corners are perfect. You would think it would also be off in the lower right corner.
Remove some karm screws, wedge the frame into position and perhaps foam it in place instead.
If you want to apply foam, do you have any suggestions? I was at Hornboch where they had a lot of different foams but they really only pointed out one option for doors and it was their own low-budget foam which didn't seem very well-liked?
Removed 3 frame screws (2 extra, 1 original) upper left corner and 2 (1 extra, 1 original) lower right corner. Using 2 strong wedges (inside the 2 corners where screws were removed), I was able to make the door leaf fit better. The frame now protrudes slightly at the top left, but I think that's acceptable.
The question now is how to secure it. If I use screws, there's a high risk that it will move again or pull in the wrong direction, so I assume using foam sealant is the solution. The problem with this (for why not) is that the space to apply foam is very small as you can see in these pictures:
In some places, it's a few millimeters at most, but maybe this is enough in combination with the frame screws that are in place? Which foam sealant should be used? I've heard that regular foam sealant presses quite a bit on the frame, so you risk having a result where the frame bends and the door sticks. From what I understand, you should place spacers between the door leaf and frame to prevent the frame from changing.
The question now is how to secure it. If I use screws, there's a high risk that it will move again or pull in the wrong direction, so I assume using foam sealant is the solution. The problem with this (for why not) is that the space to apply foam is very small as you can see in these pictures:
In some places, it's a few millimeters at most, but maybe this is enough in combination with the frame screws that are in place? Which foam sealant should be used? I've heard that regular foam sealant presses quite a bit on the frame, so you risk having a result where the frame bends and the door sticks. From what I understand, you should place spacers between the door leaf and frame to prevent the frame from changing.
Probably this man should have:
https://www.jula.se/catalog/bygg-och-farg/farg-och-fog/lim-fog-och-spackel/fog/fogskum-000155/#tab01
But you do wonder a bit when it says flex, will it manage to hold the frame in place the way we've pressed it in now?
https://www.jula.se/catalog/bygg-och-farg/farg-och-fog/lim-fog-och-spackel/fog/fogskum-000155/#tab01
But you do wonder a bit when it says flex, will it manage to hold the frame in place the way we've pressed it in now?
Another idea is to install the doors the same way the builders did when constructing the house, i.e., measure where the screws should go in the walls, chisel out the lekablock, and insert wooden pieces, which seems effective, as you won't need plastic plugs. BUT I suspect there are pitfalls here, and it could very well yield similar results.
I think I will let the current frame screws stay in place and then apply regular sealant around the frame. Where it is narrow, you will need to press the tube to fit it in. I don't believe in the plex version because it apparently becomes quite soft; something stable is needed here.
To prevent the door from binding, you should place some form of spacers between the door leaf and the frame, and this is where I might struggle a bit to find good spacers. I suspect that wedges might not be a good idea?
I think I will let the current frame screws stay in place and then apply regular sealant around the frame. Where it is narrow, you will need to press the tube to fit it in. I don't believe in the plex version because it apparently becomes quite soft; something stable is needed here.
To prevent the door from binding, you should place some form of spacers between the door leaf and the frame, and this is where I might struggle a bit to find good spacers. I suspect that wedges might not be a good idea?