You are already on the best course of action, i.e., seeking help.
A buyer's duty to investigate today is very extensive, too extensive I believe, as there is no reasonable chance one can do it alone. Hence the need to seek help.
I may have scared you a bit too much, but the fact is that many have had problems with 70s slabs; there are several threads here on the forum, among others. But it's worth noting that many have no problems at all with such a slab. My parents' home was like that, and it worked fine. Crawl space foundations are the same thing; if done right with the right conditions, they work, otherwise, they can become problematic. The same applies, of course, to basements.
There's another method for foundations, and that is a pier foundation where there's free air circulation under the house. There, you must ensure proper insulation instead. Otherwise, it gets cold for the feet, so the ultimate foundation probably doesn't exist; instead, once again examine and check the unique object very carefully.
There are solutions for rebuilding the "bad" kind of slab, but that usually requires a fairly extensive job like replacing all the floors.
A buyer's duty to investigate today is very extensive, too extensive I believe, as there is no reasonable chance one can do it alone. Hence the need to seek help.
I may have scared you a bit too much, but the fact is that many have had problems with 70s slabs; there are several threads here on the forum, among others. But it's worth noting that many have no problems at all with such a slab. My parents' home was like that, and it worked fine. Crawl space foundations are the same thing; if done right with the right conditions, they work, otherwise, they can become problematic. The same applies, of course, to basements.
There's another method for foundations, and that is a pier foundation where there's free air circulation under the house. There, you must ensure proper insulation instead. Otherwise, it gets cold for the feet, so the ultimate foundation probably doesn't exist; instead, once again examine and check the unique object very carefully.
There are solutions for rebuilding the "bad" kind of slab, but that usually requires a fairly extensive job like replacing all the floors.
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Everything about buying a house is a jungle for the uninitiated, of course there are houses for you, maybe this house is the one, but if so, you should bargain properly, really properly, then let craftsmen gut the whole house to then have it the way you want it inside.
Ok, say that a detailed inspection shows moisture in the slab à la 70s syndrome. Say that we significantly lower the price for the house simply because we like it and it is perfectly located. And then we "gut the whole ground floor" - HOW do you fix something like this? We can't put insulation UNDER the slab according to today's building techniques. And WHAT will it cost us?
Cost: don't know
here is a thread where some different solution options are mentioned. Unfortunately, without going into depth
http://www.byggahus.se/forum/golv/64764-atgaerda-70-tals-golv-platta-pa-mark.html
here is a thread where some different solution options are mentioned. Unfortunately, without going into depth
http://www.byggahus.se/forum/golv/64764-atgaerda-70-tals-golv-platta-pa-mark.html
So you're going to buy a renovation project more or less when you read about your problems?KayM76 said:
Here are some facts you SHOULD think about.
You are not a carpenter, as this is needed in this situation, it doesn't take 1 day to fix this, the best thing you can do when you bought the house is to LIVE in it because you have an idea when you look at the house but when you LIVE in it you laugh at the idea you had and change your mind 100 times, about moving walls, kitchen, bathroom, etc.
That a renovation project takes a long time can lead to arguments at home: won't it be finished soon, get up and finish building, damn how lazy you are, etc. you'll hear from your wife, if you have children it will be chaotic.....
Yes, this is something you MUST think about otherwise you're done for.
Maybe it scares you a little but I'm being honest.
I set a goal with my project at 10 years from the day I bought the villa. Pictures can be posted if desired?
Best regards,
carpenter estwing
Thank you Mats_o for the link! It was great and I linked myself to other interesting threads.
estwing, no, I am not a carpenter. And I wasn't planning on doing this myself either, it's way too big for me. Now, it's not to say that we WILL buy the house, but one would like to explore different scenarios that might arise before we make a decision.
estwing, no, I am not a carpenter. And I wasn't planning on doing this myself either, it's way too big for me. Now, it's not to say that we WILL buy the house, but one would like to explore different scenarios that might arise before we make a decision.
Kay... can we hear how things are now??? How do you/you all feel now?? Is it going to be a deal or ??
I would look for another house.
mikrobiell vind+fukt iplattan+gammalfuktskada+70-tal as the cherry on the cake makes at least my sixth sense go haywire.
mikrobiell vind+fukt iplattan+gammalfuktskada+70-tal as the cherry on the cake makes at least my sixth sense go haywire.
In the worst case, it's about stripping everything except the frame and then rebuilding the interior. In the best case, it's just a poor vapor barrier in one room and a bad faucet connection only.
The problem is that the range is so broad, and there is a risk of surprises along the way, so very thorough investigations are the only way I see right now to get a better grasp. If that's not possible, then the safe option is probably the only one left.
I am a skilled enough carpenter to handle most things except the plumbing parts and interior painting/wallpapering, so if I had another place to live during the time and the price was low enough, I could take on such a project, but as I said, I have other circumstances.
The problem is that the range is so broad, and there is a risk of surprises along the way, so very thorough investigations are the only way I see right now to get a better grasp. If that's not possible, then the safe option is probably the only one left.
I am a skilled enough carpenter to handle most things except the plumbing parts and interior painting/wallpapering, so if I had another place to live during the time and the price was low enough, I could take on such a project, but as I said, I have other circumstances.
It sounds like the inspection you are writing about is a product declaration inspection that Svensk fastighetsförmedling has, which is carried out by Anticimex. I just bought a house and this house was also "inspected." But the inspection that is done is far from being a proper thorough inspection. It sounds like before a potential purchase, you should bring in an inspector to conduct a thorough inspection (which takes a whole day, for example).
To my ears, this object sounds like a bad purchase. You mention yourself that the price is 30% higher than the price level in the area. Based on the description of the house's problems, the price should rather be 30% lower.
/ M.
To my ears, this object sounds like a bad purchase. You mention yourself that the price is 30% higher than the price level in the area. Based on the description of the house's problems, the price should rather be 30% lower.
/ M.
We probed a bit with the realtor to see if the seller might consider lowering the price, but it seems not, so we're putting the property aside. I refuse to pay an overprice for a house that requires hundreds of thousands of kronor in renovations. From what we understand, they have received offers, albeit below the asking price, which they haven't bitten at. They're probably just waiting for the next sucker to fall for it. Sadly, there are plenty of them, who simply don't check the house's construction BEFORE they buy. I know several.....
Thank you all for letting me use you as a sounding board!
Thank you all for letting me use you as a sounding board!
I know nothing about houses or construction or moisture damage, BUT I know that if the realtor says the buyer doesn't want to lower the price, it does NOT mean it's true. My realtor said the same thing when I found my dream house. I wanted to negotiate down because there was a lot of renovation to do. The seller had received offers that she had rejected, and the realtor said there was no point for me to submit my low bid, which was 300,000 below the asking price! However, I placed the bid and pointed out to the realtor that she was obliged to convey the offer. Which she did reluctantly. The realtor called me a few times and asked if I could raise my bid by 100,000 so the seller could agree to the deal. NO, I said, my offer is only valid THIS WEEK (it was a Thursday) The next day the realtor called and said the seller accepted my "insulting bid" if we signed the contract the following week.
Which I agreed to.
I spent the money on renovating my dream house, and it's still my dream house built in 1909.
Yay, I have no comments on the deficiencies you described because I'm not that knowledgeable, but I just wanted to write a post to say that what the realtor says is not always true, they also want the highest bid since they have a commission.
Regards, Nip
Which I agreed to.
I spent the money on renovating my dream house, and it's still my dream house built in 1909.
Yay, I have no comments on the deficiencies you described because I'm not that knowledgeable, but I just wanted to write a post to say that what the realtor says is not always true, they also want the highest bid since they have a commission.
Regards, Nip
When we went to check out our house, the guy was an 18-year-old entrepreneur who had gotten his girlfriend pregnant, she lived in another location and wanted to live nearby... so the guy had to sell his house. The initial asking price was 625,000:- We haggled on the spot down to 550,000:- But... we said, we want to inspect it first before we sign anything... Said and done, the seller, the realtor, the inspector, and I and my future wife were present at the inspection....
Some issues were revealed, including in the basement, it was incorrectly built inside, with bacterial growth on the framework and drywall...
So we got another opportunity to haggle..
We offered 450,000:- for the house, but he couldn’t take that,,, so we ended up at 470,000:- we had to spend a total of about 85,000.- on fixing the issues... which was quite reasonable in terms of negotiation... but then I did all the work myself, including electrical work like pipes, boxes, wiring... The only thing the electrician needed to do after inspection was to connect it to the main panel....
What’s the point of this post...? Well, haggle the hell out of it if there are faults and deficiencies, consider what you can do yourself and what you need craftsmen for.... A million-class house, or even 2 million, isn’t really that interesting for me to buy if it has faults and deficiencies.... It costs a lot to repair,,,, Better then to either move up in price class,,, ,build new or buy an old house in the countryside for a cheaper sum....
Some issues were revealed, including in the basement, it was incorrectly built inside, with bacterial growth on the framework and drywall...
So we got another opportunity to haggle..
We offered 450,000:- for the house, but he couldn’t take that,,, so we ended up at 470,000:- we had to spend a total of about 85,000.- on fixing the issues... which was quite reasonable in terms of negotiation... but then I did all the work myself, including electrical work like pipes, boxes, wiring... The only thing the electrician needed to do after inspection was to connect it to the main panel....
What’s the point of this post...? Well, haggle the hell out of it if there are faults and deficiencies, consider what you can do yourself and what you need craftsmen for.... A million-class house, or even 2 million, isn’t really that interesting for me to buy if it has faults and deficiencies.... It costs a lot to repair,,,, Better then to either move up in price class,,, ,build new or buy an old house in the countryside for a cheaper sum....