Rejäl said:
The usual way when free forming traditionally is with a board or plywood..
45x95 in two layers then cladding with 21x95 board or alternatively form plywood..
Then you support one side and the other side is held together with form ties..
Some pictures of a form on Berg with 21x95 boards..
Thanks @Rejäl

Do I understand correctly that the form is not attached to the rock except for the dowels that are cast over and the ties that go straight through (and in turn are held down by the reinforcement)?

How is the form sealed at the bottom?
What kind of tie is used?
 
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Thank you @Rejäl

Am I understanding correctly that the form is not attached to the rock besides the dowels that are cast over and the ties that go straight through (and in turn are held down by the reinforcement)?

How is the form sealed at the bottom?
What type of ties are used?
Well, on the inside where the form is braced and the side that you start with, the 45x95 rule is attached to the rock to keep the form straight and stable when you start working.
We use expansion nails, 8/110/150mm.
I have tried concrete screws, but it's difficult to succeed with them in rock...
The reinforcement has nothing to do with the forming; it is placed when one side of the form is done.
We cut the boards to fit reasonably tight against the rock with about 1-2mm precision using a jigsaw.
Tie and washer as per the image, note that the ties are different for 12mm plywood and 21mm boards, and adjusted for the width of the casting; in our case, the wall in the image is 150mm thick finished concrete.
 
  • Disposable form tie with end knobs and cones, used to fix formwork plywood with 45x95 mm studs. Diameter ø8.
  • Form wedge with knob for form ties, displayed on a web page with the branding of Celsa Steel Service.
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Rejäl said:
Yes, on the inside where the form is reinforced and the side you start with, the 45x95 stud is attached to the rock to keep the form straight and stable when you start working.
Sorry for the many questions, but is it a horizontal 45x95 that you attach with expansion nails to the rock, and then the vertical studs into it?
Rejäl said:
We cut the boards to fit closely against the rock with about 1-2mm precision using a jigsaw.
Is no additional sealing needed if it's within those tolerances?
 
Rejäl said:
Stag and plate according to the picture, keep in mind that the rods are different for plywood 12mm and boards 21mm and adapted to the width of the casting, in our case in the picture the wall is 150mm thick finished concrete..
Yes, just that, one more thing. In some sections, the new foundation wall will be cast outside an existing one. Is there any permanent stag that I can drill into the existing one, pull through the form and "nut" or weld to the outside of the form? Does it have to be stainless steel in that case?
 
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Sorry for the many questions, but is it a 45x95 laying down that you fasten with expansion nails in the rock and then attach the standing studs to it?
Either that or small stumps inside the laying rule that you also set the diagonal supports in, as I have inside in the pictures...
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Is no more sealing needed if it is within those tolerances?
No, no more is needed, it's not leveling compound you're casting with...
Important to think about is the covering of 50mm around the reinforcement...

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Right, one more thing. In some stretches, the new foundation wall will be cast outside an existing one. Is there any permanent brace that I can drill into the existing one, thread through the form, and "nut" or weld fast on the outside of the form? Does it need to be stainless steel in that case?
Then you can't use these braces; we usually go with threaded rods that are injected into the existing wall and then locked with a large washer and nut on the outside form...
You can put VP pipes around the threaded rods so that you can pull them out or cut them and repair the concrete holes afterward...
 
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Rejäl said:
You can place VP pipes around the threaded rods so you can pull them out or cut them and patch the holes with concrete afterwards..
Awesome!

If they are to be pulled out, how do I attach them best? Are expansion anchors the way to go, or are they too weak?

If they are to stay in place, do they need to be stainless steel since they won't be covered with 5 cm of concrete?
 
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Awesome!

If they are going to be removed, how should I best attach them? Should I use drop-in anchors or are they too weak?

If they are going to stay, do they need to be stainless as they won't be covered with 5 cm of concrete?
Of course, you can use drop-in anchors; we used anchor mass.
We drilled perhaps 80-100mm deep (depends on how deep your existing wall is) and then when we placed the threaded rods, we put them Max 50mm deep with the anchor mass.
Then when we removed the mold, we hammered the threaded rods so that they loosened, allowing us to pull them out.
It looks ugly to leave the threaded rods even if you go with stainless steel.
 
Rejäl said:
Drilled perhaps 80-100mm deep (depending on how deep your existing wall is) and then when we inserted the threaded rods, we set them a maximum of 50mm deep with the anchor mass..
Then when we removed the form, we tapped in the threaded rods so they loosened, allowing us to pull them out..
Got it.

What do you do with the VP pipes when the threaded rod is removed? Do they become visible on the surface as rings and you just “concrete fill” the VP pipe holes?

One thing I can't see in your otherwise very good pictures is whether and how the boards are attached to the studs. Are they angle-screwed from the outside?
 
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Understood.

What do you do with the VP pipes when the threaded rod is removed? Do they become visible on the surface as rings and you simply "concrete patch" the hole of the VP pipe?
You remove them at least a few centimeters in before you concrete repair the hole.
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One thing I can't see in your otherwise very good pictures is if and how the boards are attached to the studs. Are they toe-screwed from the outside?
Some board at the start needs to be attached to the horizontal 45x95, then we usually screw up board scraps on the outside with double drywall screws, probably works with chipboard screws too.
Then, occasionally, you need to attach the boards to the horizontal studs to keep them in place...
 
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