Can the municipality require me to hire a company to demolish asbestos?

[Dalaan]

Nonsense, shutting this down

Respond to this: How can my asbestos-related posts not be relevant in a thread that is specifically about asbestos? Hard to accept defeat from a novice home builder who hasn't written several thousand posts?

 

[Stuff]

Answer this: How can my asbestos-related posts not be relevant in a thread that is specifically about asbestos? Hard to take a defeat from a novice builder who hasn't written several thousand posts?

Because it's not about the danger of asbestos itself that the thread is about. It's about what legal requirements the municipality can impose on who should perform the job.
If you want to discuss whether asbestos is hazardous or not, there are a billion other threads for that.
The fact that it's asbestos is part of the background, but we can replace the word asbestos with flamingo poop if that feels better.

 

[hempularen]

No, it's not a guarantee that you will die just as you write, it depends a bit on where the fibers get stuck in the lungs and if you're unlucky, as previously written, a single exposure can be enough.

Yes, strictly theoretically, a single exposure is enough for you to die.

But it only takes being hit by a space rock once as well, and in both cases, you die. However, the probability of being hit by a space rock is vastly higher than getting sick from ONE exposure to asbestos.

Yet, it's quite uncommon for people to worry about space rocks.

 

[Dalaan]

Yes, strictly theoretically it only takes a single exposure for you to die.

But it only takes being hit by a space rock once as well, and in both cases you die. However, the probability of getting hit by a space rock is vastly higher than getting sick from ONE exposure to asbestos.

Yet it's quite uncommon for people to worry about space rocks.

Oh my gosh, what can I say... Are you nervous that I'm right?
A quick example: Get asbestos-smart, via sef.se "The problem is that asbestos is extremely dangerous to breathe in, even in small amounts it is dangerous"

 

[Dalaan]

Because it's not the danger of asbestos itself that the thread is about. It's about what requirements the municipality has the legal right to impose on who should perform the job.
If you want to discuss whether asbestos is dangerous or not, there are a billion other threads for that.
The fact that it's asbestos is part of the background, but we can replace the word asbestos with flamingo droppings if that feels better.

I brought up possible reasons why municipalities set requirements/make recommendations on how to handle a potentially life-threatening substance.

 

[useless]

Oh my God, what can I say... Are you nervous that I'm right?
A quick example: Become asbestos-smart, via sef.se "The problem is that asbestos is deadly to inhale, even in small amounts it is dangerous"

How do you explain then that the entire population doesn't die from asbestos-related diseases despite someone in a big city inhaling between 1000 and 5000 asbestos fibers every day?

 

[Dalaan]

Because the thread is not about the danger of asbestos itself. It is about what requirements the municipality has the legal right to impose on who should perform the job.
If you want to discuss whether asbestos is dangerous or not, there are a billion other threads for that.
That it is asbestos is part of the background but we could replace the word asbestos with flamingo poop if it feels better.

How do you explain that the entire population doesn't die from asbestos-related diseases even though someone in a big city inhales between 1000 and 5000 asbestos fibers every day?

Could this be the third time I'm writing this: Because asbestos is a collective name for several types

 

[useless]

Could it be the third time I'm writing this: Because asbestos is a collective name for different types

Ok. So the fibers that were released from brake linings and building materials in the 50s, 60s, and 70s are of a different type than those released if you demolish a 50-year-old asbestos cement facade today?

For those who inhaled fibers 40-50 years ago, not all of them have died from asbestos-related diseases, have they?

 

[Claes Sörmland]

No asbestos fibers are released if you remove a couple of tiles from an old eternit facade. The tiles are taken down intact and the asbestos fiber is bound in the portland cement matrix.

You do not break, crush, drill, saw, or sand the boards. It is these types of actions that release the asbestos fiber from the cement.

 

[Dalaan]

Ok. So the fibers released from brake pads and building materials in the 50s, 60s, and 70s are of a different type than those released if you demolish a 50-year-old Eternit facade today?

For those who inhaled fibers 40-50 years ago, haven't all of them died from asbestos-related diseases?

Funny trick question, you're funny

Why don't people read properly? Have I written that you are guaranteed to die if you inhale asbestos?

 

[Dalaan]

No asbestos fibers are released if you remove a couple of panels from an old asbestos facade. You take down the panels intact and the asbestos fibers are bound in the Portland cement gel.

You don't break, crush, drill, saw, or sand the sheets. It is such actions that release the asbestos fibers from the cement.

However, if as a private person you have no idea what asbestos is and what the risks are, maybe it's good to be informed about it? Instead of just hearing "the municipality can't decide anything, you have the law on your side! Tear it down, it's fine, I've done it 40,000 times myself!" You might then tear, throw down any panels that break, bag the stuff, put it in the car, come home, take off the jacket you wore when tearing it down and hang it up with the family's other clothes, take off your work clothes and throw them in the washing machine with other clothes, etc., etc.

 

[useless]

How come people don't read properly? Have I written that you are guaranteed to die if you inhale asbestos?

You have written several times that it is deadly in small quantities and that one exposure is enough.

To agree on what we are discussing; What do you think is included in the terms "small quantities" and "one exposure"?

 

[Claes Sörmland]

However, if as a private person you have no idea what asbestos is and what the risks are, perhaps it's good to be informed about it? Instead of just hearing "the municipality can't decide anything, you have the law on your side! Tear it down, it's fine, I've done it 40,000 times myself!" So maybe you tear it down, throw down any boards that break, put the junk in a bag, get in the car, come home, take off the jacket you wore while tearing it down and hang it up with the rest of the family's clothes, take off your DIY clothes and throw them in the washing machine with other clothes and so on and so on.

The first response in the thread contains information about this. The Swedish Work Environment Authority's info for private individuals. The first subheading on the website in the link:

 

[Dalaan]

You've written several times that it is deadly in small amounts and that one exposure is enough.

To agree on what we're discussing; What do you think is covered by the terms "small amounts" and "one exposure"?

You've written several times that it is deadly in small amounts and that one exposure is enough.

To agree on what we're discussing; What do you think is covered by the terms "small amounts" and "one exposure"?

Let's start here instead so we agree on what we're discussing:
Don't you think there is a difference when writing that it CAN be enough to be exposed once (as I have written), compared to writing "once is enough"?

 

[paralun]

We'll start here instead so we're clear on what we're discussing:
Don't you think there's a difference when writing that it CAN be enough to be exposed once (as I have written), than when writing "it is enough once"?

Sure, but now it's enough for 1 asbestos fiber to get into a lung and it can be over.
Many have suffered from fatal lung cancer after having asbestos fibers reach their lungs.
So why take chances? It's just a matter of following the occupational health and safety regulations, very simple!