Hello,
I am in the process of installing a 200*80 box spring on the wall as a loft bed for the children. Walls and ceiling are made of drywall, wooden studs in the walls, the bed is attached to the headboard and the long side to the wall, with support legs made of glued laminated timber (or stud) in the free corner.
The question about the installation concerns these two options:
1. Horizontal studs on the wall that the bed rests on. (+support legs)
2. Attaching the bed with screws directly into the wall. (+support legs)
Which method is best? Advantages / disadvantages?
I can mention that the studs I intend to screw into are at corner - 60 - 60 - 60 on the long side, and corner - 33 - 90 on the head side, so I can't reach to screw into the 90-stud and have to use a molly bolt.
Grateful for advice.
Regards
Andreas
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I am in the process of installing a 200*80 box spring on the wall as a loft bed for the children. Walls and ceiling are made of drywall, wooden studs in the walls, the bed is attached to the headboard and the long side to the wall, with support legs made of glued laminated timber (or stud) in the free corner.
The question about the installation concerns these two options:
1. Horizontal studs on the wall that the bed rests on. (+support legs)
2. Attaching the bed with screws directly into the wall. (+support legs)
Which method is best? Advantages / disadvantages?
I can mention that the studs I intend to screw into are at corner - 60 - 60 - 60 on the long side, and corner - 33 - 90 on the head side, so I can't reach to screw into the 90-stud and have to use a molly bolt.
Grateful for advice.
Regards
Andreas
(unsure if this is the right subcategory in the forum, but feel free to move it if it's wrong, moderator!)
I believe in option 1. The brackets should probably be screwed into the wall studs. Drywall anchors can take a lot of load and are used, for example, for kitchen cabinets, but there might be a lot of jumping and movement in the bed that could tear the drywall. Perhaps support legs (attached to the wall with an anchor) down to the floor on the head side?
If you can make a fastener in a ceiling joist, you should be able to skip the support leg. The room will probably feel much airier that way.
If you can make a fastener in a ceiling joist, you should be able to skip the support leg. The room will probably feel much airier that way.
Ok, thanks for the response!
Maybe I'll make a version with a beam that extends to the 90-degree rule, so I can build the steps from that. I will also look for roof beams, but I have a feeling they are thin steel beams.
But in principle, is it stronger to place the long side on a beam than to screw the bed frame into the wall studs?
Maybe I'll make a version with a beam that extends to the 90-degree rule, so I can build the steps from that. I will also look for roof beams, but I have a feeling they are thin steel beams.
But in principle, is it stronger to place the long side on a beam than to screw the bed frame into the wall studs?
Or more simply put: Why do you think option 1 is better?
We have done a similar construction. We installed horizontal battens on the wall and then attached the base to the batten with brackets. This way, the bed stands securely and you avoid some holes in the wall. I wouldn't recommend attaching the bed only to the batten without securing it somehow, as it doesn't take much for it to be pushed away from the wall and fall down. The front edge is placed on cabinets to incorporate storage. Works great 
Sure, if the solution is to use studs on the wall, I will definitely secure the box spring with some kind of bracket.
However, I am starting to believe that placing studs on the wall is just a feeling that it makes it more stable - logically speaking, there shouldn't be any difference. Tomorrow, I'll be purchasing the beds anyway!
OSB board on the frame? What function would it have other than acting as a ceiling for the space below?
However, I am starting to believe that placing studs on the wall is just a feeling that it makes it more stable - logically speaking, there shouldn't be any difference. Tomorrow, I'll be purchasing the beds anyway!
OSB board on the frame? What function would it have other than acting as a ceiling for the space below?
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Rule on the wall, every time!
The bed frame is not built to "hang on a long side." You get loads on uncontrollable spots, like tensile loads in the bed frame's construction (corners).
Think about how all the bed frames you buy look. The mattresses always rest along the long sides on screwed thin "reglar."
The bed frame is not built to "hang on a long side." You get loads on uncontrollable spots, like tensile loads in the bed frame's construction (corners).
Think about how all the bed frames you buy look. The mattresses always rest along the long sides on screwed thin "reglar."
Rule, rule on the wall there...
Niclas, I assume you mean the box spring when you write bed frame?
Well, I can imagine that, that the long side might need to flex a bit as the box spring is constructed and that tension forces might arise as you say. But suppose you only attach the bed at the "regular" mounting points, i.e., where the legs are normally screwed in? Would that be better then?
Eran: Good idea. Maybe it will be if we don't place the ladder there.
Niclas, I assume you mean the box spring when you write bed frame?
Well, I can imagine that, that the long side might need to flex a bit as the box spring is constructed and that tension forces might arise as you say. But suppose you only attach the bed at the "regular" mounting points, i.e., where the legs are normally screwed in? Would that be better then?
Eran: Good idea. Maybe it will be if we don't place the ladder there.