In general, I’m usually very hesitant about (and tired of) all thread questions about hidden defects, but…
For this case, there might be a chance:
- These are defects that cannot be discovered without destructive examination.
- The sellers should have been aware of it.
- In addition to the duty to investigate, there is also a duty to inform.
Now, the duty to investigate is so extensive that it’s not certain you would succeed in a process anyway.
Typical for the time, yes, but hardly something you would expect in interior walls, but rather in sole plates and basement frameworks.
For this case, there might be a chance:
- These are defects that cannot be discovered without destructive examination.
- The sellers should have been aware of it.
- In addition to the duty to investigate, there is also a duty to inform.
Now, the duty to investigate is so extensive that it’s not certain you would succeed in a process anyway.
Typical for the time, yes, but hardly something you would expect in interior walls, but rather in sole plates and basement frameworks.
Is it even a mistake? When the house was built, it might have been standard to just send in a little pressure because it might be good. The fact that it's considered wrong today doesn't really matter.
You write that you haven't experienced any smells yourselves. So why do anything at all? I would never even consider the idea of tearing down every wall and changing the wood just because it might eventually cause issues, which you don't seem to be experiencing.Bybon said:
Then one might wonder if it hasn't expired after almost 40 years?
Hello!
A little input, the house was built in "1909" so it's not typical for there to be treated wood.
The water damage was in 2013 and it was supposed to be fixed by the insurance company, but they obviously haven't fixed everything since I found damage on the particle boards.
It's hard to determine if we experience any smells caused by pentachlorophenol. There are a few musty odors in a few places, but a loss adjuster we had out on another case from LF thought it was due to dead mice in the walls, at the time we didn't know that treated wood was in the interior walls when they were here.
Kallebo, what do you mean by prescribed after almost 40 years?
A little input, the house was built in "1909" so it's not typical for there to be treated wood.
The water damage was in 2013 and it was supposed to be fixed by the insurance company, but they obviously haven't fixed everything since I found damage on the particle boards.
It's hard to determine if we experience any smells caused by pentachlorophenol. There are a few musty odors in a few places, but a loss adjuster we had out on another case from LF thought it was due to dead mice in the walls, at the time we didn't know that treated wood was in the interior walls when they were here.
Kallebo, what do you mean by prescribed after almost 40 years?
The rules have been there for forty years without causing any problems - really?
Had you NOT discovered the pentachlorophenol-contaminated rules, wouldn't you have lived happily ever after?
If so, again - what's the problem? Much ado about nothing?
Staffan
Had you NOT discovered the pentachlorophenol-contaminated rules, wouldn't you have lived happily ever after?
If so, again - what's the problem? Much ado about nothing?
Staffan
I can't possibly answer that since I haven't even lived in the house for half a year. I have no idea if previous owners have suffered from it or not during the 40 years the studs have been in the property.Staffan2000 said:
The problem is that pressure-treated studs with pentachlorophenol are not something you expect to find in the construction, especially not in interior walls in a house from "1909".
During the pre-purchase inspection, the inspector noted a hint of chemical odor. I know how they can smell when it goes too far, and it can happen here too as long as the studs are in the property.
It will.not count.as a.hidden.fault.
The previous owner probably never did, maybe didn't even know themselves that it is considered a "fault" today.
Moreover, the inspector hinted at a smell so maybe one should have investigated deeper?
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The previous owner probably never did, maybe didn't even know themselves that it is considered a "fault" today.
Moreover, the inspector hinted at a smell so maybe one should have investigated deeper?
Sorry about the dots don't agree with the phone's keyboard
The problem is that pressure-treated beams with pentachlorophenol are not expected to be part of the construction, especially not in the interior walls of a house from "1909".
It doesn't matter. It is what it is now.
A large portion of the house’s interior walls and even some floors are pentachlorophenol-contaminated (say that ten times in a row after a few brews). As I see it, you have three options:
1. Do nothing.
2. Tear down half the house and replace the pentachlorophenol-contaminated wood.
3. Sell the house.
It doesn't matter. It is what it is now.
A large portion of the house’s interior walls and even some floors are pentachlorophenol-contaminated (say that ten times in a row after a few brews). As I see it, you have three options:
1. Do nothing.
2. Tear down half the house and replace the pentachlorophenol-contaminated wood.
3. Sell the house.
Good, then we agree that there is a problem now. That's why I'm seeking advice on the subject.Staffan2000 said:
TheGame: We investigated it and could find some pressure-treated wood in the foundation, etc. We suspected the old plastic mat in the laundry room. We did not expect it to be in the interior walls.
If one is to start replacing the wood, should one be very careful with the dust generated when handling it?
http://www.removit.se/kunskapsbank/impregnerat-virke/Bybon said:
One can assume that common sense and one-off events are free from health risks. Vacuuming and respiratory protection during sawing and cleaning after each session might be advisable.
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You're making a problem out of something that isn't one. Replace the studs where you've already opened up the wall, put the boards back, and then forget about it until/unless it becomes a real problem and not a hypothetical one.
Great, then we agree that there is a problem now. That's why I'm seeking advice on the subject.
Not at all.
I'm just listing different possibilities, one of which means you could end up standing in front of an empty foundation surrounded by a mountain of garbage bags containing pentachlorophenol-contaminated wood. I think that option is the worst. But if you want to create your own ruin, just get started. And when you go at it with the crowbar and sledgehammer, keep an eye out for the presence of Asbets, as it is known to be found in insulation, flooring, tile adhesive...
Best regards,
Staffan
P.S.
I almost forgot all the old electrical cables that don't like to be tugged at.
So even they can give you a little task if you find yourself with some spare time before the nursing home.
Not at all.
I'm just listing different possibilities, one of which means you could end up standing in front of an empty foundation surrounded by a mountain of garbage bags containing pentachlorophenol-contaminated wood. I think that option is the worst. But if you want to create your own ruin, just get started. And when you go at it with the crowbar and sledgehammer, keep an eye out for the presence of Asbets, as it is known to be found in insulation, flooring, tile adhesive...
Best regards,
Staffan
P.S.
I almost forgot all the old electrical cables that don't like to be tugged at.
So even they can give you a little task if you find yourself with some spare time before the nursing home.