I have spoken with my housing association about tearing down a load-bearing wall in my apartment 500x240, no water pipes and no significant electricity other than a few light fixtures. An extra meeting was held between the structural statement and they attached the following contract to me today.
Final inspection? By whom? Independent or the company?
It seemed a bit too detailed, gave me the feeling that I'm supposed to chop off an entire floor of the building?
For those of you who have torn down walls in your apartments, did you also have to sign any agreement between you and the housing association?
Seems to be an ignorant and fearful board that believes they can draft agreements to protect the association. In reality, they haven't even understood that a building permit is not required for this change. A typical overreaction when fear strikes. The same civil servant fear that is currently ruining all our society's organizations and companies.
Seems to be an ignorant and scared board that believes they can draft contracts to protect the association. In reality, they haven't even understood that a building permit is not required for this change. Typical overreaction when fear strikes. The same bureaucratic fear that is ruining all our society's organizations and companies right now.
When I read the contract, I think the opposite, it's them who have to prove that I possibly caused damage to the delay's property?
So number 8? What is supposed to smell, who should prove that there is no smell that shouldn't be there? Jeez
8. It is the responsibility of the Tenant-Owner to prove that odor transmission, sound transmission, disturbances, and damage have not occurred during and after the work with the opening and other associated works.
Are you sure it is load-bearing? It seems like a peculiar place to have a load-bearing wall. Do you have a complete floor plan for the floor?
Had the property manager here who noted it, but have not gotten it definitively. A structural engineer takes 5,000 SEK to provide a written statement, hopefully, it is not load-bearing so I can scrap this agreement. It has to go one way or another, so I’m preparing for the worst.
Had the property manager here who confirmed, but I haven't received it definitively. Building constructor/engineer charges 5,000 SEK for a written statement, hopefully it's not load-bearing then I can scrap this agreement. It has to go anyway so I'm preparing for the worst.
The wall is 18 cm thick and almost solid.
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Okay, I was wrong, it is definitely load-bearing to some extent. I don't know what expectations you have for what kind of beam you will get in the ceiling, but it will be quite substantial. Do you have multiple floors above you?
Also, expect that you will need proper supports at the ends to transfer the load down.
okay I was wrong, it is definitely load-bearing to some extent. I don't know what expectations you have for the type of beam you'll get in the ceiling, but it will be quite substantial. Do you have multiple floors above you?
Also, expect that you need proper supports at the ends to transfer the load.
I understand it will be substantial given the span, but I have a vague hope that the load from above isn't enormous except during the winter.. I expect a larger footing on each side, how large? That remains to be seen..
I live at the top, without an attic so nothing above.
Seems to be an ignorant and scared board that thinks they can manage to draft agreements that protect the association. In reality, they haven't even understood that a building permit is not required for this change. Typical overreaction when fear strikes. The same bureaucratic fear that is ruining all our society's organizations and companies right now.
Yes, at the same time, it's strange that they even approve the change before they've seen a construction drawing of the load-bearing alteration. It's a bit reckless, I would say.
I think points 3 and 4 concerning building permits and notifications seem confusing. Firstly, I don't believe (your municipality might assess it differently though) that this is a measure that requires a building permit, only a building notification. Have you applied for and received a building permit and start clearance? What does it say there? From the board, it sounds like they are requiring you to make a notification and have a responsible inspector as well. They do not have the mandate to decide that; it is the municipality that evaluates whether this is required.
Seems to be an ignorant and fearful board that believes they can draft agreements that protect the association. In reality, they haven't even understood that building permits are not required for this change. Typical overreaction when fear takes over. The same bureaucratic fear that is currently destroying our society's organizations and businesses.
A building notification and a responsible controller are required. The association doesn't seem to understand the difference between an action requiring a building notification and one requiring a building permit?
A building notification and a responsible inspector are required. The association doesn't seem to understand the difference between a measure requiring building notification and one requiring a building permit?
It's not certain that a responsible inspector is required, it depends on the scope of the project, and it is the building committee that decides this. But if TS wants a responsible inspector, they can certainly have one.
No quality assurance was required when the City of Stockholm handled a similar building notification in the association in which I am a co-owner. They resolved the whole matter and gave a start decision by return mail, very impressive handling efficiency.
Yes, at the same time it's strange that they even approve the change before they have seen a construction drawing of the bracing. It's a bit reckless, I think.
Really!
This intervention is truly risky, not the time to be lax with the permit here.
With all due respect, it's usually grumpy in the Brf.
But you need to get expert help for that wall. 18cm of solid concrete bears enormous loads. If I lived in the house, I wouldn't exactly want some happy amateur or random carpenter doing the job.
I think that the "agreement" is quite lenient. The association relies on the municipality to determine the level of construction documentation and controls. The association, in its role as property owner, has an interest in ensuring this. The municipality often allows insufficient documents, and nothing other than the craftsman's self-inspection program. As a property owner, one should not be satisfied with this in such a risky project as this.
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